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Police confirm motorcyclist's death
7:05pm Saturday 5th April 2008
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By David Horne »
A young motorcyclist was killed in a crash south of Oxford today, police have confirmed.
The man in his early 20s died following an accident on the A4074 northbound near to the Dorchester-on-Thames turn at around 2:20pm.
The air ambulance was scrambled but the man was pronounced dead at the scene.
Four vehicles including a Peugeot, BMW, Mercedes and a motorbike were involved in the accident.
Drivers and passengers of the three cars were treated for shock at the scene but none required hospital treatment.
The road between Berinsfield and Shillingford was closed for around three hours this afternoon as eight police officers including one from the forensic collision department conducted an investigation.
Anyone who witnessed the collision and has not yet spoken to police is urged to contact Pc Kevin Crick at Abingdon Roads Policing department on 08458 505505.
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sam, oxford says...
8:55pm Sat 5 Apr 08
about time they put speed camera's on this road, the amount of times that bikers speed/perform wheelies down this road is astounding.. Why dont the police patrol this road at the trouble spots?
Paramedic, Oxford says...
9:48pm Sat 5 Apr 08
My thoughts go out to his family , this is a very tradjic event...but also Very avoidable. I was unfortunate to be involved here and SPEED was more than a contributing factor. Please learnfrom this tradgic event...please , especially in 30 zones.
alan page, says...
12:47am Sun 6 Apr 08
sam wrote:Because if they did half of Oxford would be up in arms whining that it was a waste of resources/tax payer's money etc etc.
about time they put speed camera's on this road, the amount of times that bikers speed/perform wheelies down this road is astounding.. Why dont the police patrol this road at the trouble spots?
Karen, Wallingford says...
6:22am Sun 6 Apr 08
Living in Wallingford I use this road regularly. On a weekend it is turned into a racetrack by motorcyclists who conglomerate at Foxs Diner. As recent events show this is one area where speed enforcement is necessary. I have no problems with motorcyclists who through their own stupidity follow the rules of evolution and remove themselves from the gene pool, but other road users need some protection from their idiotic behaviour.
Sid Hunt, says...
7:34am Sun 6 Apr 08
Karen wrote:Please furnish us with the facts of this event that allow you to make such a statement. How do motorcyclists conglomerate? Have they formed a corporation?
Living in Wallingford I use this road regularly. On a weekend it is turned into a racetrack by motorcyclists who conglomerate at Foxs Diner. As recent events show this is one area where speed enforcement is necessary. I have no problems with motorcyclists who through their own stupidity follow the rules of evolution and remove themselves from the gene pool, but other road users need some protection from their idiotic behaviour.
Mr B, Wallingford says...
8:02am Sun 6 Apr 08
Karen is right , but I think she meant "congregate".
Whilst certainly not all bikers are a menace, a large percentage of the ones that "congregate" at Foxes can be.
Whilst certainly not all bikers are a menace, a large percentage of the ones that "congregate" at Foxes can be.
Kathleen, Wallingford says...
9:10am Sun 6 Apr 08
I feel sorry for this poor lad's family who have to get through this tragedy. I agree with Karen, this area is 'no go' for me at w/ends as I feel intimated by these stunt rider bikers. Sadly this death was inevitable. I understand that Fox's is now a Biker's Club, and riders come long distances 'for the burn-ups' on the by-pass. Where are the Police !
Peter, Oxford says...
10:15am Sun 6 Apr 08
To be fair, while the motor bikers are a menace, there are just as many car users who think they can use the central striped lane to overtake and also ignore the speed limit
Dan, says...
10:30am Sun 6 Apr 08
It is disgraceful and sickening that the vast majority of comments here make the assumption that the motorcyclist was at fault, riding recklessly, or otherwise acting outside the traffic laws. The facts have not been published, and at this time the sole thoughts any of you selfish people have should be for the deceased, his family and his many friends. Drivers of cars are not all innocent angels with unblemished records of legality, neither are motorcyclists, but that does not excuse the sickening assumptions made in these comments. Grow up and show some humanity at this tragic time. Yes, I am a motorcyclist, and a car driver - and I have broken the speed limit. Whatever the factors, the simple conclusion is that poor Mark is no longer with us . He had a name, you realise - he was not just a head in a helmet.
Patrick, Maidenhead says...
10:49am Sun 6 Apr 08
The road is already blanketed with warnings about speed and I've regularly seen police around there particularly on days when Fox's is busy.
The rider in this case wasn't "having a burn-up" or stunting, he was on his way home after a weekend ride with some friends. Whether he screwed up or something simply went wrong, he'll be missed, especially by those of us who were unfortunate enough to see it happen.
The rider in this case wasn't "having a burn-up" or stunting, he was on his way home after a weekend ride with some friends. Whether he screwed up or something simply went wrong, he'll be missed, especially by those of us who were unfortunate enough to see it happen.
Dan T, Blackwater, Surrey says...
10:57am Sun 6 Apr 08
I've been frequenting Fox's Diner for a few years, yes there are reckless riders AND drivers but the majority are law abiding and just usually there with friends. What gives Karen the right to judge this accident when she clearly has no clue of what happened is the usual 'knee-jerk' reaction from car drivers that we motorcyclists have come to expect. He was a friend, far too young to die and will be sorely missed by all.
Linzi, Abingdon says...
11:19am Sun 6 Apr 08
I was unfortunte to be a witness to this tragic accident and my thoughts are with Marks family and friends. Marks motorbike clipped the centre reservation and came accross on to the other carriage way.
DD, Poole says...
12:05pm Sun 6 Apr 08
Dan wrote:About the best thought out comment made so far. What ever the reasons, a young lad has died. RIP mate and our thoughts go out to all of his family and friends :(
It is disgraceful and sickening that the vast majority of comments here make the assumption that the motorcyclist was at fault, riding recklessly, or otherwise acting outside the traffic laws. The facts have not been published, and at this time the sole thoughts any of you selfish people have should be for the deceased, his family and his many friends. Drivers of cars are not all innocent angels with unblemished records of legality, neither are motorcyclists, but that does not excuse the sickening assumptions made in these comments. Grow up and show some humanity at this tragic time. Yes, I am a motorcyclist, and a car driver - and I have broken the speed limit. Whatever the factors, the simple conclusion is that poor Mark is no longer with us . He had a name, you realise - he was not just a head in a helmet.
Karen, Wallingford says...
12:57pm Sun 6 Apr 08
Firstly, I must apologise for using a wrong word how very remiss of me!!
Secondly, for those of you who think I was commenting on THIS accident read what I wrote again and you will see I was making a general observation on the behaviour of SOME motorcyclists on this road.
Excess speed, dangerous overtaking, cutting in on cars, doing wheelies, constantly looking at their back wheel (I dont know why they do this!), etc are all par for the course on this road. As far as Im concerned if someone gets killed doing these sort of things then too bad. However, it is a shame they didnt think of the family they left behind or other road users who may be involved because of their stupidly.
Lastly, I know there are good motorcyclists on the road, I have driven behind them and appreciate their driving and consideration. Its the half brained ones who act like idiots on the Dorchester bypass who annoy me and doubtless many other drivers (probably including some motorcyclists).
Secondly, for those of you who think I was commenting on THIS accident read what I wrote again and you will see I was making a general observation on the behaviour of SOME motorcyclists on this road.
Excess speed, dangerous overtaking, cutting in on cars, doing wheelies, constantly looking at their back wheel (I dont know why they do this!), etc are all par for the course on this road. As far as Im concerned if someone gets killed doing these sort of things then too bad. However, it is a shame they didnt think of the family they left behind or other road users who may be involved because of their stupidly.
Lastly, I know there are good motorcyclists on the road, I have driven behind them and appreciate their driving and consideration. Its the half brained ones who act like idiots on the Dorchester bypass who annoy me and doubtless many other drivers (probably including some motorcyclists).
Miranda day, Benson says...
1:13pm Sun 6 Apr 08
First of all my thought's go out to family and friend's. While driving down that very same road yesterday AM i whitnessed a near miss accident between a bike and a car, had it not of been for the quick thinking of the biker the car would of hit him. So for all those making biker's sound the bad one's, CAR DRIVER'S YOU DO HAVE MIRROR'S USE THEM!!!
Duncan Day, Berinsfield says...
1:35pm Sun 6 Apr 08
What makes me sick is that fact that most of you are really slating bikers when they all have to pass tests to make sure they can use the roads etc... Yes they are on a vehicle which has two wheels so you think they are to automatically blame, this isn't the case!!! My cousin was knocked off her bike a month of so ago which was NOT I repeat NOT her fault yet the FAULT of the CAR DRIVER... It just goes to show that CAR yes CAR drivers are just as irratic and dangerous as people on motor bikes, if not more so because they are bigger vehicles!!!! I think some people that have posted on here are extremely insensitive, maybe you should think about the poor lads family and the poor soul that lost his life, which will no doubt be blamed on him!!! My heart felt sympathys go to his family!!!!
Matt, UK says...
1:54pm Sun 6 Apr 08
Dan wrote:Agreed, this is not the time for assigning blame or arm chair traffic planning. This is the time to pause for a moment, to show some respect for the tragically dead, and offer sincerest condolences to family and friends left behind.
It is disgraceful and sickening that the vast majority of comments here make the assumption that the motorcyclist was at fault, riding recklessly, or otherwise acting outside the traffic laws. The facts have not been published, and at this time the sole thoughts any of you selfish people have should be for the deceased, his family and his many friends. Drivers of cars are not all innocent angels with unblemished records of legality, neither are motorcyclists, but that does not excuse the sickening assumptions made in these comments. Grow up and show some humanity at this tragic time. Yes, I am a motorcyclist, and a car driver - and I have broken the speed limit. Whatever the factors, the simple conclusion is that poor Mark is no longer with us . He had a name, you realise - he was not just a head in a helmet.
Mike, Wallingford says...
2:23pm Sun 6 Apr 08
Duncan Day wrote:Oh, I see just because they have passed a test that makes it all right then. So now I understand, the stupid behaviour, like excessive speed and wheelies, that I have witnessed on the Dorchester bypass must have been part of the test.
What makes me sick is that fact that most of you are really slating bikers when they all have to pass tests to make sure they can use the roads etc... Yes they are on a vehicle which has two wheels so you think they are to automatically blame, this isn't the case!!! My cousin was knocked off her bike a month of so ago which was NOT I repeat NOT her fault yet the FAULT of the CAR DRIVER... It just goes to show that CAR yes CAR drivers are just as irratic and dangerous as people on motor bikes, if not more so because they are bigger vehicles!!!! I think some people that have posted on here are extremely insensitive, maybe you should think about the poor lads family and the poor soul that lost his life, which will no doubt be blamed on him!!! My heart felt sympathys go to his family!!!!
Also I must remember when I get cut up on the bypass by a biker, he has two wheels and I must not blame him automatically because Im in a car and as its bigger I must be proportionally more prone to being dangerous and erratic.
So, really it is all my fault
We live and learn
jv, says...
4:07pm Sun 6 Apr 08
my thoughts are with family and friends at this sad time, please dont speculate as to what happened!
helen, oxford says...
5:05pm Sun 6 Apr 08
My heart goes out to all Marks family and friends...:(
He will be sadly missed...
r.i.p m8...x
He will be sadly missed...
r.i.p m8...x
Karen, Wallingford says...
5:14pm Sun 6 Apr 08
helen wrote:Judging from your hysteria and unfathomable abbreviations I assume you are associated with the biker fraternity. Calm down my dear and sign up for some lessons to enable you to communicate properly in the English language.
Karen wrote:ru totally heartless!!!!
Firstly, I must apologise for using a wrong word how very remiss of me!! Secondly, for those of you who think I was commenting on THIS accident read what I wrote again and you will see I was making a general observation on the behaviour of SOME motorcyclists on this road. Excess speed, dangerous overtaking, cutting in on cars, doing wheelies, constantly looking at their back wheel (I dont know why they do this!), etc are all par for the course on this road. As far as Im concerned if someone gets killed doing these sort of things then too bad. However, it is a shame they didnt think of the family they left behind or other road users who may be involved because of their stupidly. Lastly, I know there are good motorcyclists on the road, I have driven behind them and appreciate their driving and consideration. Its the half brained ones who act like idiots on the Dorchester bypass who annoy me and doubtless many other drivers (probably including some motorcyclists).
my thoughts go out to all his family and friends..:(
R.I.P Mark
ride on 4eva....x
looking at the back wheel??? stupid
This is called a LIFE-SAVER/SHOULDER CHECK...
all motorcyclists use mirrors and life-savers to double check where every1 is...cars/bikes/vans
/lorries/cyclists...
if more car drivers done half as many mirror checks as a motorcyclist does then the roads would be a much safer place...
LOOK ONCE
LOOK TWICE
THINK BIKE
R.I.P M8
Nostrils, Hayes, Middlesex says...
5:20pm Sun 6 Apr 08
Karen, keep it down please. You clearly dont like bikers of any kind. You've said your piece. I am sure Mark's family dont want to be reading all the arguments and last word opinions.
KnightRider, Maidenhead says...
5:30pm Sun 6 Apr 08
RIP ASM. You were a cherished friend...
Alan, Abingdon says...
5:53pm Sun 6 Apr 08
Firstly, my condolences go out to Marks family, whether it was his fault or not, he and his family doesn't deserve that. I don't know the facts of this accident but Who (including car drivers) when they are young, haven't had a quick 'blast' and have got away with it (I don't condone speeding). In my early 20s I certainly did! It wasn't until later I've become more self aware. That, however, didn't stop me having a severe crash on my motorbike about 100 metres from Marks accident. That certainly wasn't my fault as an 18 year old turned right into a side road right in front of me.
People make mistakes! I do agree though, people still take outrages risks on this road. The problem is, it is on a long bend. Ultimatly it should be a solid line, with no overtaking.
People make mistakes! I do agree though, people still take outrages risks on this road. The problem is, it is on a long bend. Ultimatly it should be a solid line, with no overtaking.
K, Northampton says...
6:40pm Sun 6 Apr 08
RIP Mark and soncere sympathies to both his family and freinds. The Org will be that bit worse off for your loss.
AmandaFlint, Grove says...
7:20pm Sun 6 Apr 08
This is a sad event in that a man has died. But it is well known the Police refer to sports motorcyclists as "road cancer" and hospitals refer to them as "walking donors" both for good reason.
Slow down, ride sensibly and then these events will become less likely. Every summer it is the same.
Slow down, ride sensibly and then these events will become less likely. Every summer it is the same.
mel, Oxford says...
8:32pm Sun 6 Apr 08
How sad and disrespectful that some people are publishing anti motorcyclist comments when someone has died and we do not know yet who, if anybody, was at fault. For all you people know, there could have been something on the road that caused a crash. Could people please have a heart, think of the man's bereaved family, and not jump to conclusions?
Phill, Oxford says...
9:40pm Sun 6 Apr 08
Mark was a great guy and will be missed greatly. I find it sad that some people have used this space to vent their ignorant and oppinionated views on motorcyclists, when the it should have been an oportunity to say something about Mark. He was a good rider and a fun guy to have around. My thoughts are with his family and friends. especially those of you who witnessed this tragic accident. RIP dude - Phil
Nick, Bracknell says...
9:48pm Sun 6 Apr 08
It is tragic that Mark is no longer with us, a tragic accident. The only person that really knows what happened is no longer here so can people stop assuming the facts and blaming 'bikers' in general. Of course there are a small minority of bikers that give the rest a bad name but the same applies to car drivers too. Some of the comments made above are extremely offensive and I hope Marks family don't read any of it. He was a good friend of mine, a highly intelligent man who had his whole life ahead of him and he has left a big hole in the biking group we formed a year ago.. Rest in peace my friend.
GL, Surrey says...
2:04am Mon 7 Apr 08
Rest in peace, mate.
The witch hunting comments against motorcyclists made here, which are unrelated to this terrible loss of life, really disgust me.
The witch hunting comments against motorcyclists made here, which are unrelated to this terrible loss of life, really disgust me.
jon, oxford says...
9:29am Mon 7 Apr 08
Peter wrote:The central striped area should have a crash barrier down the middle of it in my opinion, then this would not happen and overtaking would be prevented,.
To be fair, while the motor bikers are a menace, there are just as many car users who think they can use the central striped lane to overtake and also ignore the speed limit
sulu, - says...
9:32am Mon 7 Apr 08
Linzi wrote:So crash barriers would have helped?
I was unfortunte to be a witness to this tragic accident and my thoughts are with Marks family and friends. Marks motorbike clipped the centre reservation and came accross on to the other carriage way.
Mike, Wallingford says...
10:09am Mon 7 Apr 08
This is a tragic accident on a road which in my opinion is badly designed. The major problem is that this an open road which invites high speed and there is a central reservation at both ends that needs to be avoided. On one accession I did witness a motor cyclist having to serve violently to avoid one of these reservations. I have no idea what happened on this occasion but something, whether it is a total crackdown on unacceptable road behaviour, road improvements, such as crash barriers, etc needs to be done before more lives are lost.
SK, London says...
10:39am Mon 7 Apr 08
Reading much of the above really saddens me.
I have only been riding for a year and a half and in that time I have ended up sitting in the middle of the road 3 times due to cab/minibus/range-ro
ver drivers.
In all cases I was travelling below the speed limit (20mph-ish in a 30mph zone), in all cases the driver didn't see me.
Fortunately for me, in each case I was unhurt.
Goes to show that even when riding sensibly, things can go wrong.
I cant even begin to list the reasons why this accident may have happened, and yes, the fact he was young does lead to the jumping to a conclusion that he was speeding/riding recklessly, but there are many other scenarios - a blown tyre perhaps? a slip on diesel caused by a car/4x4 owner over-filling their tanks.
I "know" the guy involved in this from an internet forum, have never met him, but been involved in many a discussion, and some arguements, with him on a near daily basis.
He will be missed by a lot of people in the same situation as me, who never did, and now never will, meet him.
RIP mate
I have only been riding for a year and a half and in that time I have ended up sitting in the middle of the road 3 times due to cab/minibus/range-ro
ver drivers.
In all cases I was travelling below the speed limit (20mph-ish in a 30mph zone), in all cases the driver didn't see me.
Fortunately for me, in each case I was unhurt.
Goes to show that even when riding sensibly, things can go wrong.
I cant even begin to list the reasons why this accident may have happened, and yes, the fact he was young does lead to the jumping to a conclusion that he was speeding/riding recklessly, but there are many other scenarios - a blown tyre perhaps? a slip on diesel caused by a car/4x4 owner over-filling their tanks.
I "know" the guy involved in this from an internet forum, have never met him, but been involved in many a discussion, and some arguements, with him on a near daily basis.
He will be missed by a lot of people in the same situation as me, who never did, and now never will, meet him.
RIP mate
KT, Shillingford says...
10:46am Mon 7 Apr 08
How about a bit of thought for the other people involved in this accident. Sure they didnt die but the trauma of a motor cyclist coming over a central reservation and crashing into the front of your car is very traumatic to say the least!! Spare a bit of thought for the innocent victims who could so easily have been killed as well.
oxfordswheelieboy, oxford says...
12:18pm Mon 7 Apr 08
Yes to make it clear i ride a bike,Yes i ride fast,Yes i pull wheelies,yes i go to fox's diner.But does every biker need to be tared with the same brush NO many ride in a responsable way.@ the end of the day a young life was lost so lets show some respect to him and his family,YES he may have been going to fast and cocked up but he has paid with his life surly thats enough!!!!! RIP
Karen, Wallingford says...
12:25pm Mon 7 Apr 08
Nostrils wrote:If you care to read what I have written for you to say I do not like bikers of any kind is total nonsense. I certainly appreciate bikers who act sensibly on the road, and there are a lot of them. I was merely highlighting the absolute suicidal riding that I and others have witnessed on this road. Until such time this behaviour is curtailed by the police or even by other more sensible bikers then accidents will happen in this area. I have no idea how or what caused this tragic accident but perhaps it will serve to remind everyone of the dangers associated with this road.
Karen, keep it down please. You clearly dont like bikers of any kind. You've said your piece. I am sure Mark's family dont want to be reading all the arguments and last word opinions.
KT, 720-230 says...
12:31pm Mon 7 Apr 08
oxfordswheelieboy wrote:And perhaps your stupid irresponsible behaviour will end up killing you, sadly it may also involve other innocent people. Ever thought of that?
Yes to make it clear i ride a bike,Yes i ride fast,Yes i pull wheelies,yes i go to fox\'s diner.But does every biker need to be tared with the same brush NO many ride in a responsable way.@ the end of the day a young life was lost so lets show some respect to him and his family,YES he may have been going to fast and cocked up but he has paid with his life surly thats enough!!!!! RIP
ross, portsmouth says...
2:26pm Mon 7 Apr 08
jesus. have some thought for this young man. I knew him form an internet forum and he was witty and fun. there is not one human being on this earth who has never not made a mistake. Do not tar everybody with the same brush and before you comment on was he going to fast, it was his fault, wait untill the facts are published.
Ive nver come across a more inconsiderate bunch of people in my life.
All those who commented about bikers, need a reality check. Simple checks from your car windows for bikes? How many do it? Thought so.
Have some considertion for this guys family and wind your necks in.
Ive nver come across a more inconsiderate bunch of people in my life.
All those who commented about bikers, need a reality check. Simple checks from your car windows for bikes? How many do it? Thought so.
Have some considertion for this guys family and wind your necks in.
Angela Frost, Berinsfield says...
3:25pm Mon 7 Apr 08
I really wish people would get their facts correct.
Fistly, the A4074 between the Dorchester-on-Thames and Berinsfield is a 60mph zone.
Secondly, Overtaking IS LEGAL on this section of road. The hatching means - "Overtake with caution".
If people drove at 60mph instead of 40 or 50 mph, then people would need to overtake.
If motorists looked in their mirrors more often they'd see motorcyclists and then move over to the left instead of moving to the right to block them off. (Yes, I've witnessed this on may occassions, when in a car and on the back of a bike). A bike is narrower and (depending on type) faster than a car and can therefore get past easier, but if a selfish motorist blocks their path, they have nowhere to go. In fact the motorist should be charged with reckless and dangerous driving.
My question to Karen from Wallingford is: ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE SELFISH MOTORISTS? From what you have written, you probably are and you probably drive at 40mph and as close to the middle of the road as possible!
As a motorist and pillion passenger, I'd like to give my sincerest condolences to the family and friends of Mark. (I didn't know him)
Fistly, the A4074 between the Dorchester-on-Thames and Berinsfield is a 60mph zone.
Secondly, Overtaking IS LEGAL on this section of road. The hatching means - "Overtake with caution".
If people drove at 60mph instead of 40 or 50 mph, then people would need to overtake.
If motorists looked in their mirrors more often they'd see motorcyclists and then move over to the left instead of moving to the right to block them off. (Yes, I've witnessed this on may occassions, when in a car and on the back of a bike). A bike is narrower and (depending on type) faster than a car and can therefore get past easier, but if a selfish motorist blocks their path, they have nowhere to go. In fact the motorist should be charged with reckless and dangerous driving.
My question to Karen from Wallingford is: ARE YOU ONE OF THOSE SELFISH MOTORISTS? From what you have written, you probably are and you probably drive at 40mph and as close to the middle of the road as possible!
As a motorist and pillion passenger, I'd like to give my sincerest condolences to the family and friends of Mark. (I didn't know him)
Karen, Wallingford says...
4:28pm Mon 7 Apr 08
Firstly, will people stop making assumptions. I certainly do not drive at 40 mph and are quite willing to give way to motor cyclists. However I do object to being overtaken on the bypass as has happened when I am doing the legal limit by two motor cyclists on the hatched line racing each other side by side. Estimated speed 80+ mph.
It seems to me that the majority of comments on here which I guess comes from motor cyclists are extremely defensive. When will you face up to the fact that a minority of you use the bypass as a race track and drive dangerously. If you have a problem believing me, just ask the police!
It seems to me that the majority of comments on here which I guess comes from motor cyclists are extremely defensive. When will you face up to the fact that a minority of you use the bypass as a race track and drive dangerously. If you have a problem believing me, just ask the police!
KT, Shillingford says...
4:37pm Mon 7 Apr 08
Well said Karen. This young mans death was tragic, but as you said some people will not accept some bikers are lunatics instead it is all the fault of the car driver. I was once overtaken on this road and the driver then did a wheelie in front of my car. I suppose if he had fallen off and ben run over that would have been my fault!
Steve T, Stoke says...
5:16pm Mon 7 Apr 08
My thoughts are with Mark's family and friends and all who were involved with and witnessed this terrible accident.
RIP Mark
RIP Mark
Alan, Surrey says...
6:36pm Mon 7 Apr 08
Every fatal accident is a sad event. My thoughts go out to this young mans family and friends.
Until the police's accident report is out, no one on here knows the cause, only what they saw, or assume happened. Clogging up this comment boards with pro and negative bike retoric is uneccessary and pointless.
Until the police's accident report is out, no one on here knows the cause, only what they saw, or assume happened. Clogging up this comment boards with pro and negative bike retoric is uneccessary and pointless.
mari, says...
7:28pm Mon 7 Apr 08
My thoughts are with all those who were involved with the accident and condolences to Mark's family and close friends.
He was a nice lad and far too young to die.
RIP Mark - ASM Forever
He was a nice lad and far too young to die.
RIP Mark - ASM Forever
Nick, Benson says...
8:54pm Mon 7 Apr 08
Alan wrote:Normally I would agree about the for/against comments. And of course most people commenting do not know the facts of the accident. However in this case because of the site of the accident people are highlighting what is locally a notorious and well known road for the idiotic behaviour of a small number of bikers. It needs to be stopped before more accidents occur. The police are trying but surely it is up to the responsible biker community to police themselves and try and stop those giving the pastime such a bad name.
Every fatal accident is a sad event. My thoughts go out to this young mans family and friends.
Until the police's accident report is out, no one on here knows the cause, only what they saw, or assume happened. Clogging up this comment boards with pro and negative bike retoric is uneccessary and pointless.
Alan, Surrey says...
10:19pm Mon 7 Apr 08
Nick wrote:I didn't know the poor guy, so I can't comment on his normal biking attitude, nor was I there to witness, or inspect the bike.
Alan wrote: Every fatal accident is a sad event. My thoughts go out to this young mans family and friends. Until the police\'s accident report is out, no one on here knows the cause, only what they saw, or assume happened. Clogging up this comment boards with pro and negative bike retoric is uneccessary and pointless.Normally I would agree about the for/against comments. And of course most people commenting do not know the facts of the accident. However in this case because of the site of the accident people are highlighting what is locally a notorious and well known road for the idiotic behaviour of a small number of bikers. It needs to be stopped before more accidents occur. The police are trying but surely it is up to the responsible biker community to police themselves and try and stop those giving the pastime such a bad name.
I understand what you're saying about bikers policing themselves, but that goes for all road users, and unfortunately doesn't work that well in practice.
Nick, Benson says...
12:02am Tue 8 Apr 08
Alan wrote:I was thinking specifically for bikers only because of the large groups that gather at Foxs Diner should make it easier for the majority of decent bikers to admonish and perhaps report the few who put their pastime into a bad light by their dangerous antics. Living locally I speak from experience having seen such behaviour, which will inevitably lead to more tragedy on this road, probably involving innocent people. And it would be all so easily avoided.
Nick wrote:I didn't know the poor guy, so I can't comment on his normal biking attitude, nor was I there to witness, or inspect the bike.
Alan wrote: Every fatal accident is a sad event. My thoughts go out to this young mans family and friends. Until the police\'s accident report is out, no one on here knows the cause, only what they saw, or assume happened. Clogging up this comment boards with pro and negative bike retoric is uneccessary and pointless.Normally I would agree about the for/against comments. And of course most people commenting do not know the facts of the accident. However in this case because of the site of the accident people are highlighting what is locally a notorious and well known road for the idiotic behaviour of a small number of bikers. It needs to be stopped before more accidents occur. The police are trying but surely it is up to the responsible biker community to police themselves and try and stop those giving the pastime such a bad name.
I understand what you're saying about bikers policing themselves, but that goes for all road users, and unfortunately doesn't work that well in practice.
LM, says...
2:33pm Tue 8 Apr 08
Karen wrote:Wow - talk about sweeping statements and narrow mindedness. You know, the Police ride motorcycles too - I guess they are a pretty wreckless bunch.
Firstly, will people stop making assumptions. I certainly do not drive at 40 mph and are quite willing to give way to motor cyclists. However I do object to being overtaken on the bypass as has happened when I am doing the legal limit by two motor cyclists on the hatched line racing each other side by side. Estimated speed 80+ mph.
It seems to me that the majority of comments on here which I guess comes from motor cyclists are extremely defensive. When will you face up to the fact that a minority of you use the bypass as a race track and drive dangerously. If you have a problem believing me, just ask the police!
I suggest you wind you neck in and spare a thought for the victims family. Not every biker is a hooligan and not every car driver a saint, yet you are quick to tarnish everyone with the same brush.
Arun, Cookham says...
4:10pm Tue 8 Apr 08
Do not disrespect this man, many of us are very sad about his death. Infact we knew him, and are attending his funeral on monday, he was a much loved guy who was probably one of the funniest people you will ever meet. Keep your views to yourselves you idiots, think the family who have been affected.
KnightRider, Maidenhead says...
12:14am Wed 9 Apr 08
Karen wrote:
Firstly, will people stop making assumptions. I certainly do not drive at 40 mph and are quite willing to give way to motor cyclists. However I do object to being overtaken on the bypass as has happened when I am doing the legal limit by two motor cyclists on the hatched line racing each other side by side. Estimated speed 80+ mph.
It seems to me that the majority of comments on here which I guess comes from motor cyclists are extremely defensive. When will you face up to the fact that a minority of you use the bypass as a race track and drive dangerously. If you have a problem believing me, just ask the police!
Meh!
Enough said I think.
a old man, Wallingford says...
2:14am Wed 9 Apr 08
Karen,
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through drink and drive.
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through drugs.
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through dangerous driving .
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through driving without due care and attention.
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people while on their mobile phones.
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through road rage.
And you say motor cyclist are a danger,
Im really thick or just plain stupid, because I just can not see your reason for total blatant hatred to motor cyclists .what because they ride fast, and pop wheelies yes what a good argument .
Let the car drivers carry on killing people ..
But dont let motor cyclist ride fast .
I feel sorry for you Karen somehow youve lost the plot .
I just wish you have the same attitude to bad car drivers ..
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through drink and drive.
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through drugs.
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through dangerous driving .
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through driving without due care and attention.
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people while on their mobile phones.
Just how many motor cyclist kill other people through road rage.
And you say motor cyclist are a danger,
Im really thick or just plain stupid, because I just can not see your reason for total blatant hatred to motor cyclists .what because they ride fast, and pop wheelies yes what a good argument .
Let the car drivers carry on killing people ..
But dont let motor cyclist ride fast .
I feel sorry for you Karen somehow youve lost the plot .
I just wish you have the same attitude to bad car drivers ..
Karen, Wallingford says...
7:40am Wed 9 Apr 08
It does seem to me that a lot of people on here are TOTALLY incapable of reading what I wrote. Why is it that, what I can only presume to the motor cyclists, have such a defensive attitude. I am not tarnishing all motor cyclists with the same brush, all I am saying is that there are a minority who use the Dorchester bypass as a race track and indulge in stupid manoeuvres.
THAT IS A FACT. To suggest because I mention this is well known to the police someone then has to bring police motor cyclists into it is beyond me.
It does seem some people replying on here need to get the chip off their shoulders and do some growing up!! Because some of the stupid replies lead me to believe these may even be the people who indulge in such childish behaviour on the bypass!!
THAT IS A FACT. To suggest because I mention this is well known to the police someone then has to bring police motor cyclists into it is beyond me.
It does seem some people replying on here need to get the chip off their shoulders and do some growing up!! Because some of the stupid replies lead me to believe these may even be the people who indulge in such childish behaviour on the bypass!!
Nostrils, Hayes, Middlesex says...
8:38pm Sat 5 Apr 08