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County told to build extra homes
City council leader John Goddard at Grenoble Road, Oxford, where new homes may go
City council leader John Goddard at Grenoble Road, Oxford, where new homes may go

Oxfordshire is to be recognised as the South East's homebuilding power house with 56,640 homes being built in the next two decades - 20 per cent more than first thought.

The Oxford Mail has been told a top-level report due to be published next week would recommend a fundamental review of the Green Belt - particularly around Oxford - as the county is singled out for development. The expected recommendations form part of the Government's response to the draft South East Plan, the region's housing blueprint until 2026.

Whitehall is tipped to suggest a 10 per cent increase on already-proposed housebuilding targets in the region over the next 20 years.

That would mean about 32,000 new homes being built each year until 2026, instead of the 29,000 contained in the draft South East Plan drawn up by the South East England Regional Assembly.

But in Oxfordshire, the Government wants to see 9,440 extra homes built on top of the already-proposed 47,200, sources said.

Last night the news was welcomed by those on the city's housing waiting list - but not green campaigners who fear for land south of Grenoble Road in Blackbird Leys, one of the sites mooted for a massive housing development.

Andy Boddington, of the Oxfordshire branch of the Campaign to Protect Rural England, said: "A full review of Green Belt boundaries will bring forward a large number of schemes from developers and increase pressure for Oxford to expand outwards.

"Oxfordshire needs more housing, especially affordable housing, but it doesn't need a sprawling conurbation from Begbroke north of Oxford to Abingdon to the south. It seems the green fields of Oxfordshire have become a soft target."

Where to put more has been a contentious issue: the county council favours expanding towns, such as Didcot, Bicester and Banbury, and safeguarding Oxford. But city council leader John Goddard said: "Proposals to have more housing around the edge of Oxford city is not a proposal to concrete over the Green Belt - it's an option to use up to one per cent, which is no big deal. This is a start of recognising the desperate need for housing for the people of Oxford."

Thames Water and Magdalen College want to build 8,000 homes on land they own off Grenoble Road. And land off Oxford Road, Garsington, owned by Brasenose College, has been offered for development.

County council leader Keith Mitchell said: "I'm opposed to building on Green Belt land whatever the final numbers and we need to bear in mind the growing debate about building on the flood plain."

Labour city councillor Ed Turner said: "People contact me every week who are living in overcrowded conditions or who were brought up in the city and cannot afford to live here.

"It would be a victory for the homeless, a victory for common sense and a victory for Oxford as a whole."

A spokesman for the Department of Communities and Local Government added: "We cannot comment on figures at this time."

Case study 1: Mark and Julie Humphrey and their four children desperately need a bigger council home, but they have been waiting since 2001. The family of six currently live in a two-bedroom house in Asquith Road, Rose Hill. Their boys, Daniel, nine, Lee, seven, George, five, and seven month-year old Charlie, sleep in one room on two sets of bunk beds.

Space is so short all their toys have to be stored in their parent's bedroom. Mr Humphrey, 42, said living accommodation was also tight, with just a kitchen, living room and bathroom downstairs.

He added: "Daniel really needs a room of his own now, it is a real squeeze. But if we just had one more room we could have two in one and two in the other and they could have all their stuff in there.

"An extra room downstairs would mean we could eat dinner in there as a family. We definitely need more housing as long as it is not given to the wrong people."

Case study 2: Kelly Probetf and her partner Anthony have been waiting for a bigger council house for more than a year. The couple and their three children, Jazmin, eight, and 13-month-old twins Kymali and Samara, live in two-bedroom second floor flat in Paradise Street. Miss Probetf, 26, said: "The flat is tiny. We cannot fit two cots in our bedroom so the twins have to sleep on a mattress on the floor. My other daughter's bedroom is just full of wardrobes and clothes. Now the twins try and climb out onto the balcony, it's not safe at all.

"The twins would have somewhere proper to sleep and Jazmin would have more playing space. They definitely need more housing - more affordable housing - because the rents are so high in Oxford that people go on to the council list."

6:35am Wednesday 22nd August 2007

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Posted by: Oliver, Oxford on 7:09am Wed 22 Aug 07
Why have so many children, keep sprouting them out, if you cannot afford a house??? I have no children through using contraception - because adding to society's burden is what is causing this huge esclation in people expecting everyone else to put a roof over their heads - having children these days is a sure fire way to own a house.
Posted by: Gel, Nr Wantage on 7:47am Wed 22 Aug 07
Oliver, don't be silly that would mean taking responsibility for one's self. Not something Labour have ever encouraged, or likely to; hence concreting over the South.
Up Nawth of course they are knocking down perfectly good homes, as part of Mullah Prescott's legacy.
It's noticeable that the concreting steamroller is primarily in non labour voting areas, where the Govn't are unconcerned at upsetting electorate.
Posted by: P White, cowley on 8:50am Wed 22 Aug 07
Thats very good of Magdalen and Brasenose to "offer " their land (that they probable just took for themselves hundreds of years ago ). Are they offering it for free, I think not. Perhaps they have some other parcels of land in North Oxford that can be used for social housing instead , again I think not.
Posted by: Amy, Oxford on 8:56am Wed 22 Aug 07
Why do people think that they deserve a house because they keep having children? If you can't afford to have children, don't have them. Or move somewhere more affordable and stop expecting other people to fund your lifestyle. Have they heard of contraception / being responsible / having self-respect? Why do these people think that they deserve a council house? Why does anyone "deserve" a house for having sex and not taking reaonable precautions? It's beyond belief. I'm 30, female and work full time - but I can't afford to have children, so I don't have them. Surely that's more sensible than popping them out and then moaning because other people won't fund my housing needs. Utter selfishishness on the part of those who believe they "deserve" something for nothing.
Posted by: John, Oxford on 9:13am Wed 22 Aug 07
And it was clearly planned in advance. When they went on the waiting list in 2001 they would only have had 2 children (judging by their ages now). They wouldn't have needed a bigger house for their 2 children at the time.
Posted by: Jo, Oxford on 9:26am Wed 22 Aug 07
..from the comments above you wouldn't think anyone in the country owned more than one home..or that despite working hard some people cannot afford a home, through no fault of their own.
F.Y.I. I have no children, but myself and my husband both have good jobs, and no, we can't afford a house here either. May I suggest the 'children' comments are a bit of a distraction against a background of house prices gone crazy?
Posted by: kim on 10:08am Wed 22 Aug 07
i too can not afford to buy a house in oxford and have lived here all my life and have been by-passed on the council waiting list by these people having kids just to get housing and then moaning about it
Posted by: Amy, Oxford on 10:20am Wed 22 Aug 07
Jo, the cost of housing is too expensive but 8,000 homes will not solve this (especially when those that are available for social housing will all be given to those in similar situations to the case studies in the article). The children comments are highly relevant and until the system is changed and people are not rewarded for having unprotected sex, the housing crisis will continue. As Kim's comment demonstrates, us females that have posted above would all be better off currently if we gave up work and started popping out kids. What sort of system rewards this? One that is so far down its namby pamby labourite/liberal thinking arse that it couldn't see common sense if it jumped up and bit them.
Posted by: Ron, Oxford on 10:39am Wed 22 Aug 07
With any new housing there will be speculator’s who will buy housing straight off the drawing board at a very cheap price. Then, when the houses are built sell them on at a nice tidy profit. The unwelcome side effect of this will be to yet again raise prices to such an extent to make them out of reach of those to whom the houses were intended for
Posted by: martin, kidlington on 11:11am Wed 22 Aug 07
Can't wait! won't it be intresting to find homes for all the so called people wanting a better life from the hardships of the rest of the world.Watch the crime rate rocket and watch our beautiful county be destroyed.
Posted by: cliff, deddington on 12:09pm Wed 22 Aug 07
The housing "crisis" can easily be solved, one person=one house. The greedy "buy to let" market should not be allowed to continue while we have a housing "crisis". Stopping immigration until this sorted out should also be a priority.
Posted by: Claire, Oxford on 1:29pm Wed 22 Aug 07
I agree with Cliff. Buy-to-let landlords are the cause of the problem. A halt should be called to all of these type of purchases in Oxford and then we can see what the real state of the housing market is. Once the green spaces are gone, they are gone for good and we, and future generations, will all be worse off. This is supposed to be a green and pleasant land, not a concrete jungle.
Posted by: Jez, Oxford on 1:33pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Is building more houses the soulution to the affordable housing problem? I don't think so. it does not matter how many houses we build there will always be a market for what's there and these will always be filled. This in turn means that people will pay whatever is asked. This is called "market forces". When a house is sold doesn't the vendor always sell for the maximum he/she can? There will always be a "shortage" of affordable housing.
Posted by: J, Oxford on 1:47pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Case study 1: Mark and Julie Humphrey and their four children desperately need a bigger council home, but they have been waiting since 2001. The family of six currently live in a two-bedroom house in Asquith Road, Rose Hill. Their boys, Daniel, nine, Lee, seven, George, five, and seven month-year old Charlie, sleep in one room on two sets of bunk beds.


How irresponsible can you possibly get?!?! Me and my partner have worked darn hard to afford a 2 bed flat in Oxford, so at the moment there is no way we can afford to have a child, and in the future we certainly wouldn't be able to afford more than 2, nor would we have space for more than 2.

People need to THINK before they have kids. I detest living in a society where those who work hard get nothing, and those who know how to work the system (by popping out babies, preferably as a single mother...) get everything handed to them on a plate.

This family should stay put, as it's entirely THEIR fault for having no space!

Posted by: Andrew, Oxford on 1:49pm Wed 22 Aug 07
I'm most concerned about the congestion. Surely unless they expand the A34 properly, we will one day hit gridlock or expensive road tolling alternatives? I am lucky enough to afford whatever happens but I do understand the need to help those who can't help themselves (not the bone idle though).
Posted by: kp, bicester on 2:11pm Wed 22 Aug 07
A34 uprated to motorway
a40 to dual carraigeway
etc and build a few high rises....
Posted by: Stewart, oxford on 2:49pm Wed 22 Aug 07
They can reduce by one the total number of houses to be built because I will be elsewhere if it all goes ahead! And many more feel the same. It would totaslly change the character of the area and turn Oxfordshire into a 'Home Counties' conurbation for people who work in London.
Posted by: Mike Hunt on 3:28pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Simple answer; stop having so many children! Don't these people know about birth control? Trouble is the benefits they get from our fan-bloody-tastic government make it so attractive for them to have so many; more kids= more money. As per usual the hard working, taxpaying majority won't get a look in with these new houses I suppose. Oh, and let's not forget illegal immigrants; no doubt these houses will be built for them too! This f***ing country makes me sick.
Posted by: Jeff, Abingdon on 3:29pm Wed 22 Aug 07
More houses!! here in abingdon we are still drying out from the floods!! insurance has not paid out yet.The water could not flow away quick enough so what do they do ??improve drainage no ,re claim more land for flood plains no build more houses!!!o yes.
Posted by: Wayne King, Oxford on 4:45pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Oxford needs more houses and quickly,have you seen the silly prices of houses here? How do young people buy in Oxford at those prices? Why do people think Oxford is so special anyway?
Posted by: J, Oxford on 5:49pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Wayne King wrote:
Oxford needs more houses and quickly,have you seen the silly prices of houses here? How do young people buy in Oxford at those prices? Why do people think Oxford is so special anyway?
Oxford has plenty of houses, they're just all snapped up by landlords who then let them out, hence there's a lack of houses to BUY!

Young people afford it by putting having a family on hold, and living in a cramped houseshare for a few years in order to save up enough money for a deposit! Graduate salaries in the area aren't too bad, thus making a 1 or 2 bed flat affordable for a couple.
Posted by: Oscar on 6:51pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Although I agree with many of the comments that all of you have posted, I must remind you that people make mistakes. Sure these parents have been irresponsible; there is no denying that fact, yet their children remain innocent. Have we all lost all sense of compassion for our fellow man? How can we, as responsible citizens of society (humanity really), allow four young children too sleep in a single bedroom? It’s appalling! These children are not to blame for their parent’s blunders. The parents don’t “’deserve’ a house for having sex and not taking reasonable precautions”, but the children do deserve to live in a proper house that’s fit to accommodate them.
Posted by: Amy, Oxford on 8:47pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Oscar - sure the children aren't to blame, and people make mistakes, but 4 "mistakes" over 9 years? You'd have thought they'd have made the connection between shagging and having children by now. I agree completely on the children, so take them off the parents (at birth) when it's clear their parents have no thoughts for their welfare by choosing to have them when they are in no position to look after them properly. There are thousands of childless couples who would gladly adopt newborn babies. Take the incentives away from people (houses, benefits) and watch how people suddenly have less mistakes and teenagers stop having quite so many children. The system at the moment does nothing to reward the hard workers and everything to encourage me to give up work and pop out kids supported by the taxpayer. Change the system, change the mentality. The fact that this article is written as if we are meant to feel sorry for these people is unbelieveable. Take the kids off these irresponsible people at birth - give the kids some hope.
Posted by: Oscar on 11:04pm Wed 22 Aug 07
Amy, I see where you are coming from. When the government extends a helping hand to people who need it, but do not deserve it (or in other words put themselves in that situation), it makes it difficult for hard working people such as ourselves to accept. In some ways this “helping hand” does encourage people to cruise through life without ever earning their way. Many people (irresponsible, reckless, and deceitful people), will take advantage of this fact, and that’s just the condition of the world right now; it doesn’t make it right but that’s the truth. Idle people lean on others, as dead weight instead of picking themselves off the ground when times get tough. I dare say that individuals such as you and I would never take advantage of the hard working taxpayer’s money, because we have something called integrity. This same integrity is what makes us accountable to people in need, whether they’ve earned it or not, whether they are at fault or not. You see? Taking away someone’s child is an extreme solution that should only be considered in extreme cases. It is merely a solution that relinquishes or absolves a good person’s responsibility to help others in a real way, such as supporting the use of our taxes as a form of relief. Hope to hear more from you it’s helping me to better understand my own position on this matter.
Posted by: Babs, oxford on 2:45am Thu 23 Aug 07
When you live in a densely populated part of oxford like I do the greenbelt is even more precious. Andrew Smith has been pushing for building on it for ages, won't be in his backyard though so why would he give a toss.

Agree with Oscar that it's not the kids fault living in overcrowded conditions and saying the kids should be adopted is a shocking thing to say. Only someone who hasn't had children could come out with something like that.
Posted by: NC, Oxford on 7:22am Thu 23 Aug 07
Well done and hear hear to everyone except Babs abd Oscar for their words of wisdom. I am so glad you feel like I do.
The darn Government have chosen Oxford to be the biggest area of housing growth, the colleges own here and have great powers in being able to just sell it. Life is going to change radically, I absolutely detest the thought - everywhere you look, someone is building on a garden - that loss is by far very consequential on wildlife and everyone seems to be cutting their trees down - don't, please plant more!! I too do not have children Babs, and Amy is one of those people who is thinking about her impact on the world, she is thinking of others. Only those popping out the kids are the irresponsible ones, the ones that expect every one else to help them. I know so many people having to do extra jobs to pay for extentions etc because they cannot afford to move, they are decent working folk. The ONLY people to be given help and benfits in this country should be people who really cannot work - the disabled and given all the help possible. Not todays shameless society who are slowly but surely taking over. Smell the flowers while you can people, for tomorrow they will be gone forever.
Posted by: Peter Metro, Oxford on 9:09am Thu 23 Aug 07
We must have more children otherwise we will be a country of elderly and immigrants as the English are moving abroad!
Posted by: Oscar on 6:45pm Thu 23 Aug 07
So “The ONLY people to be given help and benfits in this country should be people who really cannot work”…this is true, yet I don’t understand how 4 children, all under the age of ten do not manage to meet these requirements. I think it’s great that we question the Government and its entire decision making process. We should, look at the impact, and implications of every action that is taken. Land and wildlife preservation is something that is really important and personal to me; but this is people we are talking about. How can we claim that we care about wildlife when our outlook on others is full of apathy? I appreciate the fact that people like you and Amy are looking ahead and trying to make a difference, but what about making a difference now? What about changing these children’s present lives? So that they will grow up to be good citizens, who understand what it is like to need help and to have received it. I guarantee you that they will pay it forward for the rest of their lives. They will have learned a valuable lesson that will propel them to make the right choices in life; so that they don’t become part of “todays shameless society”, a society who’s problems seed from apathy and lack of discernment. That’s the rub. We need to see the bigger picture! Not every impoverished person has ended up where they are because they are daft, or dodgy.
Posted by: Laraine Santagato, USA on 11:17pm Thu 23 Aug 07
Seems like that fellow Mike Hunt needs to leave England, since he hates it so much
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