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Car sales street blight getting worse

5:30am Friday 29th August 2008

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The problem of secondhand cars being sold at the side of the county's roads is still not being dealt with, according to those living near the unofficial forecourts.

Since the Oxford Mail highlighted the issue in Rose Hill and Cowley Road earlier this month, details of other trading hotspots have come to light.

In Oxford, the situation appears to be worsening while the city council last night maintained its hands were tied.

In areas where parking is unrestricted, the local authority can take action only if the sellers are proved to be commercial traders selling two or more vehicles.

And itt is not illegal for private sellers to offer a number of cars for sale at once.

John Wiggins, who lives in Cowley Road, said: "It's got worse. There were 12 cars here on Saturday and 10 on Wednesday. On Sunday, a car parked halfway over my drive."

Paul Lester, of Print Shop in Rose Hill, said: "I've not seen any wardens, council officials or even parking attendants down here in the last couple of weeks, but there don't seem to be as many cars - maybe they've all moved to Cowley Road.

"There are still cars for sale here, though. It's a free forecourt."

A city council spokesman said: "No cars have been towed away or any extra patrols begun.

"Legally we cannot do anything and now they know about the legal loophole, I guess it's got worse."

In Abingdon, the lack of regulation is being exploited in Marcham Road, where secondhand vehicles clog up a layby just yards from the town's police station.

In the past two years, householders have written to Oxfordshire County Council, the Vale of White Horse District Council and the police, but residents said the problem had got worse.

Ernest Wright, 79, of Galley Field, said: "They should be prosecuted, end of story. It's not a sales court, it's not an extension of the forecourt, it belongs to the public, not the individual.

"It's getting worse and progressing now along Drayton Road."

Lorry driver Alan Smout, 51, who lives in nearby Winterbourne Road, said: "Normally there are about nine vehicles there all for sale. I am sure there is someone trading there."

Trading standards officer Ian Marriott said: "Oxfordshire County Council does not have any powers to get these vehicles moved or prevent them being sold in this way.

"We are monitoring the sales and ensuring sellers who are traders comply with their legal obligations. We would welcome any information from the public about traders."


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CountryBumpkin, Oxford says...
10:00am Fri 29 Aug 08

Has anyone seen the cars at the Catherinewheel in Sandford that the pub landlord is ALWAYS trying to sell?????

William Stroudley, Sandford Lock. says...
10:09am Fri 29 Aug 08

Yes, The Landlord of the Catherine Wheel currently has three cars for sale.

Car- less person, Home! says...
10:43am Fri 29 Aug 08

Is there not a car garage in Sandford????
Why would there be so many cars outside the Catherinewheel for sale? Does this landlord have permission to do such a thing??
Sandford is such a nice place, why should it be blocked up with dodgy pub landlords trying to sell dodgy cars????

William Stroudley, Sandford Lock says...
10:50am Fri 29 Aug 08

Yes, Sandford Car Sales it just up the road from the Catherine Wheel.
So if you want a decent car in Sandford, go to Sandford Car Sales and do not buy one from the landlord of the Catherine Wheel.

Simon, Oxford says...
11:05am Fri 29 Aug 08

Maybe the Cowley-based anti-4x4/tyre-deflat
ering/banana-up-the exhaust-pipe gang could be employed in such situations.

anon, oxford says...
11:16am Fri 29 Aug 08

Private sellers dont have a rotation of vehicles for sale all the time. Simple.

Residents, photograph all the cars for sale on a regular basis and then send the evidence to the police, trading standards and the tax office. They're breaking the law and the more that get found out the better.

sandford....of course it has a garage.....near the junction into the science park....jolly nice chaps too who know how to keep cars for sale where they're supposed to!!

charlie chaplin, oxfordshire says...
11:19am Fri 29 Aug 08

Local residents.....call the numbers throughout the day and night.....they'll soon change their mind.

Bob Marley, In the Sky says...
11:37am Fri 29 Aug 08

charlie chaplin wrote:
Local residents.....call the numbers throughout the day and night.....they'll soon change their mind.
Brilliant idea... anlong with Simon's idea of the 'Bannana up the exhaust'!!!

DanOxford, says...
11:58am Fri 29 Aug 08

Given the (tedious) regularity at which this 'story' appears, I can only assume that someone at the Oxford Mail or a close friend of theirs is slightly miffed at having to park their car slightly further away due to a few people selling cars.

If a car is taxed, you can park it where you **** well like- unless of course the Council have decreed that it's residents only, charged a resident for a permit and will slap a fine on anyone else who parks there- even if all the residents are at work and the street is empty.

In Cambridge (which I assume is similarly full of Anti- car Nazis) careworkers now have to do visits in pairs- one to provide vital care to a vulnerable person and one to keep an eye out for private car parking enforcers eager to slap a ticket on anyone they can.

Times are hard for everyone- especially in Oxford where massive numbers of students and migrants have ensured that house prices are sky high, streets are overcrowded and wages are kept low.

Oxford is full of petty minded, snoopy NIMBY's- most of whom were not born in Oxford (or indeed the UK...) so have sod all 'right' to moan about anyone else carrying on their business within the law.

charlie chaplin, oxford says...
12:03pm Fri 29 Aug 08

"If a car is taxed, you can park it where you **** well "

Not if you're selling as a trader but not registered....that's the illegal bit DanOxford....and to be registered you need a registered address not just "anywhere down cowley road" or whatever....and sods law they're not paxing taxes, NI or insurances too!

William Stroudley, Sandford Lock says...
12:52pm Fri 29 Aug 08

I take it that DanOxford does not live in a road/street that gets clogged up with cars for sale that belong to dealers?

Lady Lou, Oxford says...
1:02pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Had may car not have just been written off, i would have tried to sell mine by putting a 'FOR SALE' sign up in the window so that people could see that i was trying to sell it. This would have been whilst i am driving about or be it on my DRIVEWAY! People just take it one step too far... too many cars to one person being sold parked in the street, it is wrong!

john mcmurphy, exeter pub cowley says...
1:58pm Fri 29 Aug 08

nothing a sharp key wont sort out gonna go for a walk now plenty up the road about ten of them might even bring a hammer to

Villager, Sandford says...
2:17pm Fri 29 Aug 08

john mcmurphy wrote:
nothing a sharp key wont sort out gonna go for a walk now plenty up the road about ten of them might even bring a hammer to
Sounds perfect!!!!!

Nosey Parker, Now that would be telling says...
2:26pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Villager wrote:
john mcmurphy wrote: nothing a sharp key wont sort out gonna go for a walk now plenty up the road about ten of them might even bring a hammer to
Sounds perfect!!!!!
.... I might just join you....

:O)

Jason, Oxford says...
2:34pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Villager wrote:

john mcmurphy wrote: nothing a sharp key wont sort out gonna go for a walk now plenty up the road about ten of them might even bring a hammer to
Sounds perfect!!!!!
.... I might just join you....


you lot are as bad as the tw@ts that go round letting people's tyres down.

Bannana Man, says...
2:46pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Jason wrote:
Villager wrote: john mcmurphy wrote: nothing a sharp key wont sort out gonna go for a walk now plenty up the road about ten of them might even bring a hammer to Sounds perfect!!!!! .... I might just join you....
you lot are as bad as the tw@ts that go round letting people's tyres down.
Jason is obviously one of the idiots that is flogging a few cars in his street!

DanOxford, says...
2:49pm Fri 29 Aug 08

William Stroudley wrote:
I take it that DanOxford does not live in a road/street that gets clogged up with cars for sale that belong to dealers?
You're right- I live in a house with adequate parking for my own use, and thus avoid getting my knickers in a twist about students owning cars, people selling cars or people driving down my road and damaging my car.

I also avoid the stress and rip- off of not being able to park easily or affordably inside the ring road due to extortionate parking charges and the residents only racket by driving to Reading, parking for free and spending my money there.

Oxford's become an overcrowded, dirty dump with a poor selection of shops and a wide selection of moaning NIMBY (self) interest groups- some of whom seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to interfere with or cause damage to other peoples property, be it because they don't like 4x4's or other people parking where they themselves would like to.

Quite frankly, people like that deserve the city Oxford has become.

Me, Oxford says...
2:53pm Fri 29 Aug 08

DanOxford wrote:
William Stroudley wrote: I take it that DanOxford does not live in a road/street that gets clogged up with cars for sale that belong to dealers?
You're right- I live in a house with adequate parking for my own use, and thus avoid getting my knickers in a twist about students owning cars, people selling cars or people driving down my road and damaging my car. I also avoid the stress and rip- off of not being able to park easily or affordably inside the ring road due to extortionate parking charges and the residents only racket by driving to Reading, parking for free and spending my money there. Oxford's become an overcrowded, dirty dump with a poor selection of shops and a wide selection of moaning NIMBY (self) interest groups- some of whom seem to think it's perfectly acceptable to interfere with or cause damage to other peoples property, be it because they don't like 4x4's or other people parking where they themselves would like to. Quite frankly, people like that deserve the city Oxford has become.
Dan - you are clearly a kn0b!

Interested By Stander, Planet Earth says...
2:54pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Funny this - In Wellington in New Zealand, exactly the same thing occurs - there's a stretch of road where everyone leaves their cars for sale and people go to view.

Works a treat and nobody complains and was seen as one of the towns features.

Now I know the stretch of Cowley Road where this happens here, it is along side Elmer Stubbs allotments and those living opposite have driveways (quite generous ones generally) - so I would find it quite hard to imagine people having the own parking taking up by this activity.

I'd like hear just what law individuals who legally park cars and leave 'for sale' signs in them are actually breaking.

Some one running an unofficial forecourt is another thing pay rates like everyonethough - they should find some premises and pay rates.

Let the torrent of abuse begin!!

danoxford for PM, says...
3:37pm Fri 29 Aug 08

DanOxford wrote:
Given the (tedious) regularity at which this 'story' appears, I can only assume that someone at the Oxford Mail or a close friend of theirs is slightly miffed at having to park their car slightly further away due to a few people selling cars. If a car is taxed, you can park it where you **** well like- unless of course the Council have decreed that it's residents only, charged a resident for a permit and will slap a fine on anyone else who parks there- even if all the residents are at work and the street is empty. In Cambridge (which I assume is similarly full of Anti- car Nazis) careworkers now have to do visits in pairs- one to provide vital care to a vulnerable person and one to keep an eye out for private car parking enforcers eager to slap a ticket on anyone they can. Times are hard for everyone- especially in Oxford where massive numbers of students and migrants have ensured that house prices are sky high, streets are overcrowded and wages are kept low. Oxford is full of petty minded, snoopy NIMBY's- most of whom were not born in Oxford (or indeed the UK...) so have sod all 'right' to moan about anyone else carrying on their business within the law.
danoxford your right again,danoxford for pm NOW.

Tom, says...
5:21pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Eddy Grundy wrote:
So how did it all start? Political Correctness started in a think tank (called The Frankfurt School) in Germany in 1923. The purpose was to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia. Why wasn't the wonderful idea of communism spreading? Read the full history and purpose here or watch a 22 minute documentary here. The Frankfurt school recommended (amongst other things): the creation of racism offences continual change to create confusion the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children the undermining of schools and teachers' authority huge immigration to destroy identity the promotion of excessive drinking emptying the churches an unreliable legal system with bias against the victim of crime dependency on the state or state benefits control and dumbing down of media encouraging the breakdown of the family
It kills me to say it (joke) but a great comment Eddy.


it sure explains their true agenda......

Tom, says...
5:26pm Fri 29 Aug 08

An Asian man who killed his British National Party activist neighbour in a fight has been jailed for eight years.

Habib Khan, 50, of Stoke-on-Trent, was convicted in May of the manslaughter of 52-year-old Keith Brown who he stabbed with a kitchen knife in July 2007.

The two men had been involved in a long-running dispute over land.
Khan said living for five years next door to Mr Brown had been "hell" and his family had been subjected to "racial hostility" by his neighbours.
Stafford Crown Court was told Khan had killed Mr Brown in a fight outside their home in Uttoxeter Road, Normacot.


'Scare him'
A post-mortem examination found Mr Brown had died from a single stab wound.
But Khan claimed he had held a knife against his neighbour "to scare him" when he saw him trying to strangle his son Azir.

Khan, described by a Muslim colleague as a respected, religious and helpful person, was also found guilty of wounding Mr Brown's son Ashley Barker during the fight.
Khan's other son, Kazir Saddique, was sentenced to a year in prison and a year on licence after admitting unlawful wounding but Azir, 24, was found not guilty of wounding.
Outside the court, Mr Brown's widow Julia told reporters that she felt justice had not been done.
She said: "At the end of the day, it should have been murder not manslaughter.
"If he did not have the intention to go out and murder he should not have taken the knife out.
"Everybody feels sorry for that family but what have we been through?
"No, justice has not been done. None." Local BNP councillor Martin Coleman said the party would start a campaign to "expose what has gone on today in court".

He added: "It bears no relationship with any form of justice that I understand, can understand recognise or accept.

"We've got a man who has been murdered in the street. Someone has ran out into the public street with a knife and murdered a man and the judge says there's no, literally no case to answer.

"It's insanity, it's madness. That's my view of this case. I think what we've witnessed here is an outrageous betrayal of justice."


A spokesman for Staffordshire Police said after Khan's trial that the investigation into Mr Brown's death had been handled in a "thorough and impartial" way.


In a statement, the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said the force had had repeated contact with both families during the dispute and investigated complaints made on both sides.

A spokesman said they were unable to substantiate any of the claims made about the way the families were treated by the force but one officer received advice from officials.

david cameron-young, says...
5:39pm Fri 29 Aug 08

getting back to the original story, a car may be parked on the road as long as it is taxed and INSURED, along with a current mot. if any of these items is missing, then the vehicle is illegally parked. apart from that these cars block parking spaces for others, and are a blight on our roads

paul le roy, says...
6:34pm Fri 29 Aug 08

If you sell more than 6 cars a year you should be legally registered as trader - i bet most of these people arnt.

Tom, says...
7:11pm Fri 29 Aug 08

paul le roy wrote:
If you sell more than 6 cars a year you should be legally registered as trader - i bet most of these people arnt.
(1) A car dealer
(2) declaring this income to the tax man
(3) Originally from the U.K
(4) that bothered because they know the council and police will do nothing to them.

christine, cowley says...
7:56pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Tom's at it again I see; pasting stories from the bnp website that are totally irrelevant to the topic. WELL, GUESS WHAT TOM? I WON'T BE GRIEVING FOR ANY RACIST BNP Activist. Can't wait til this site forces racist cowards like you to register properly.

RK7, Woke Up In Madrid (Awaiting Deportation) says...
8:02pm Fri 29 Aug 08

DanOxford wrote:
William Stroudley wrote: I take it that DanOxford does not live in a road/street that gets clogged up with cars for sale that belong to dealers?
You\'re right- I live in a house with adequate parking for my own use, and thus avoid getting my knickers in a twist about students owning cars, people selling cars or people driving down my road and damaging my car. I also avoid the stress and rip- off of not being able to park easily or affordably inside the ring road due to extortionate parking charges and the residents only racket by driving to Reading, parking for free and spending my money there. Oxford\'s become an overcrowded, dirty dump with a poor selection of shops and a wide selection of moaning NIMBY (self) interest groups- some of whom seem to think it\'s perfectly acceptable to interfere with or cause damage to other peoples property, be it because they don\'t like 4x4\'s or other people parking where they themselves would like to. Quite frankly, people like that deserve the city Oxford has become.
Dude You Don't Like F*** Off to London.

Although intresting thought in the Daily Mirror (So It Must Be True) Oxford is the 249th Depressed City in Briton. Note: Oxford Mail Don't Mention That

DanOxford, says...
9:35pm Fri 29 Aug 08

RK7 wrote:
DanOxford wrote:
William Stroudley wrote: I take it that DanOxford does not live in a road/street that gets clogged up with cars for sale that belong to dealers?
You\\\'re right- I live in a house with adequate parking for my own use, and thus avoid getting my knickers in a twist about students owning cars, people selling cars or people driving down my road and damaging my car. I also avoid the stress and rip- off of not being able to park easily or affordably inside the ring road due to extortionate parking charges and the residents only racket by driving to Reading, parking for free and spending my money there. Oxford\\\'s become an overcrowded, dirty dump with a poor selection of shops and a wide selection of moaning NIMBY (self) interest groups- some of whom seem to think it\\\'s perfectly acceptable to interfere with or cause damage to other peoples property, be it because they don\\\'t like 4x4\\\'s or other people parking where they themselves would like to. Quite frankly, people like that deserve the city Oxford has become.
Dude You Don\'t Like F*** Off to London. Although intresting thought in the Daily Mirror (So It Must Be True) Oxford is the 249th Depressed City in Briton. Note: Oxford Mail Don\'t Mention That
WTF has London got to do with anything?

I was born in Oxford and as I clearly stated, I DON'T like the anti- car NIMBY's or Council so drive to Reading to spend money. Simple.

Did you have any intelligent, well- backed up counter points, or- even- opinions of your own?

I can only assume by your lack of a basic command of English that it's a second language for you or you're what we used to call 'retarded', so I don't want to discourage you from practising your written communication too much, even if it is at the cost of you inflicting semi- coherent personal insults on the local population until you achieve a basic standard of literacy and debating skills.

george micheal, dogging site says...
9:48pm Fri 29 Aug 08

Bob Marley wrote:
charlie chaplin wrote: Local residents.....call the numbers throughout the day and night.....they'll soon change their mind.
Brilliant idea... anlong with Simon's idea of the 'Bannana up the exhaust'!!!
sounds fun.

Eddy Grundy, Ambridge says...
1:54am Sat 30 Aug 08

Tom wrote:
Eddy Grundy wrote: So how did it all start? Political Correctness started in a think tank (called The Frankfurt School) in Germany in 1923. The purpose was to find a solution to the biggest problem facing the implementers of communism in Russia. Why wasn't the wonderful idea of communism spreading? Read the full history and purpose here or watch a 22 minute documentary here. The Frankfurt school recommended (amongst other things): the creation of racism offences continual change to create confusion the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children the undermining of schools and teachers' authority huge immigration to destroy identity the promotion of excessive drinking emptying the churches an unreliable legal system with bias against the victim of crime dependency on the state or state benefits control and dumbing down of media encouraging the breakdown of the family
It kills me to say it (joke) but a great comment Eddy. it sure explains their true agenda......
This was NOT written by me as you well know Tom. Typical well known tactic of BNP supporters of writing misleading comments and signing them with the name of one of their opponents.

towny, says...
11:50am Sat 30 Aug 08

john mcmurphy wrote:
nothing a sharp key wont sort out gonna go for a walk now plenty up the road about ten of them might even bring a hammer to
your all mouth doing that and you deserve time inside
it could be your car next

Tom, says...
2:45pm Sat 30 Aug 08

christine wrote:
Tom's at it again I see; pasting stories from the bnp website that are totally irrelevant to the topic. WELL, GUESS WHAT TOM? I WON'T BE GRIEVING FOR ANY RACIST BNP Activist. Can't wait til this site forces racist cowards like you to register properly.
Christine clearly is on the sherry again.

She wakes up every couple of weeks and posts hatred here towards innocents like me.


I have never in my life visited the BNP website.

This story i pasted was from the BBC news website.

I am not a racist,do you actually know what the definition of a racist is ?.


Or have you adopted the definition(though lack of a functioning brain) that new labour has invented?.

I love all of the worlds people.

I however object to half of the third world being allowed to move to the U.K illegally.

After reading a dictionary,if you can still call me a "racist",then you clearly would be displaying your true mental age.



kyoceran, wootton says...
6:32pm Sat 30 Aug 08

why dont the authorities/police, check the registered owner on the DVLA computor, call the registered owner by phone or in person, if as I suspect the details are out of date, ( dealers do not like having documents in their name for certain trading laws) the person who is actually selling the vehicle can be dealt with, the previous owner can be cautioned for not following the sales procedure, this practice would them be a less tempting proposition. But better ideas are wanted, the winner at the moment is the anonymous phone calls at anti social hours.

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