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MP backs easier abortions
Oxfordshire MP Evan Harris will next week lead a Parliamentary campaign to help women get earlier and easier access to abortions.
The MP will put forward proposals to reduce the number of doctors signatures required to approve an abortion from two to one, allow qualified nurses to carry out the procedure and permit abortion-inducing drugs to be taken at home.
The Liberal Democrat MP for Oxford West and Abingdon said rather than increasing the number of terminations, the liberalising measures would simply make abortion less traumatic for women.
The changes are being put forward as amendments to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill, the report stage of which will be debated in the Commons on Monday.
5:37pm Thursday 10th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 6:12pm Thu 10 Jul 08
Part of the further aim of desensitising and reducing humanity to mere functioning cogs in a profit generating wheel. "Choice" being the keyword of course.
All non aryan foetuses be warned.
Part of the further aim of desensitising and reducing humanity to mere functioning cogs in a profit generating wheel. "Choice" being the keyword of course.
All non aryan foetuses be warned.
Posted by: John on 7:24pm Thu 10 Jul 08
Alan
You are absolutly right. We should return to the good old days were women went to grubby back street flats where knitting needles were used to do the same job.
Go to your nearest clinic and you'll see the queues of happy laughing women as they wait to have their termination.
Or is Evan Harris going to be standing there weeding out the Aryan Women and only allowing the non Aryan ones to enter. What do you think Alan?
You make a reasonable point about desensitising and reducing our humanity. There is no doubt that there are too many abortions in this country every year especially with contraception readily availible (Another real concern being the number of people having unprotected sex). But to call the women who go through this difficult procedure 'vacuous airheads' is to ignore how complex and difficult an issue this is. Please recognise that
Alan
You are absolutly right. We should return to the good old days were women went to grubby back street flats where knitting needles were used to do the same job.
Go to your nearest clinic and you'll see the queues of happy laughing women as they wait to have their termination.
Or is Evan Harris going to be standing there weeding out the Aryan Women and only allowing the non Aryan ones to enter. What do you think Alan?
You make a reasonable point about desensitising and reducing our humanity. There is no doubt that there are too many abortions in this country every year especially with contraception readily availible (Another real concern being the number of people having unprotected sex). But to call the women who go through this difficult procedure 'vacuous airheads' is to ignore how complex and difficult an issue this is. Please recognise that
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 8:07pm Thu 10 Jul 08
I am not advocating criminalisation at all. It is a deeply ludicrous position to argue that anybody who raises a fist at profit driven liberalisation immediatly belongs to the dark ages.
The governing business behind these ideas is "freedom of choice" not for emergency cases. The aim is for abortions to become so common,frequent and easy that it becomes as time consuming or as worrying as having a tooth pulled.
It is because it is such a serious issue that the idea of turning it into a mere conveyor belt proceedure (for the paltriest of reasons :"oh she's going to be disabled, or have blond hair, or we really wanted a boy etc." in the name of consumer choice is utterly inhuman and ethically abominable.
We already have similar campaigns for euthanasia aimed at the economically non contributory at the other end. It is pretty clear that these are clearly related in that "right to choose" is central to both.
Rather than making it more consumable and easier, it should be made available only for emergency cases, not simply used as a means of contraception, because some stupid couple didnt use any.
Perhaps public advertising of contraception would be a more positive way forward. Sorry but abortion on demand is not why I believe it should be legal and it was stated by the legalisation lobby that such a plan was not on the agenda.
But then Liberals always push further and further, which is why (in some cases) it is better to shut their foot out before it gets inside the door.
I am not advocating criminalisation at all. It is a deeply ludicrous position to argue that anybody who raises a fist at profit driven liberalisation immediatly belongs to the dark ages.
The governing business behind these ideas is "freedom of choice" not for emergency cases. The aim is for abortions to become so common,frequent and easy that it becomes as time consuming or as worrying as having a tooth pulled.
It is because it is such a serious issue that the idea of turning it into a mere conveyor belt proceedure (for the paltriest of reasons :"oh she's going to be disabled, or have blond hair, or we really wanted a boy etc." in the name of consumer choice is utterly inhuman and ethically abominable.
We already have similar campaigns for euthanasia aimed at the economically non contributory at the other end. It is pretty clear that these are clearly related in that "right to choose" is central to both.
Rather than making it more consumable and easier, it should be made available only for emergency cases, not simply used as a means of contraception, because some stupid couple didnt use any.
Perhaps public advertising of contraception would be a more positive way forward. Sorry but abortion on demand is not why I believe it should be legal and it was stated by the legalisation lobby that such a plan was not on the agenda.
But then Liberals always push further and further, which is why (in some cases) it is better to shut their foot out before it gets inside the door.
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 9:28pm Thu 10 Jul 08
I triple dare you to find a Jewish MP who does not represent the Abortionists and their industry.
I triple dare you to find a Jewish MP who does not represent the Abortionists and their industry.
Posted by: John, Banbury on 2:08am Fri 11 Jul 08
The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk
/en/Publicationsands
tatistics/Publicatio
ns/PublicationsStati
stics/DH_075697
These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe.
I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.
The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk
/en/Publicationsands
tatistics/Publicatio
ns/PublicationsStati
stics/DH_075697
These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe.
I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 11:14am Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.[/quote] Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then.
You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons.
The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal?
Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!!
Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road.
Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets.
John wrote:
The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.
Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then.
You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons.
The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal?
Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!!
Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road.
Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets.
Posted by: Tom on 1:08pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Abortion is murder.
It is not a birth control solution for **** to use.
Abortion is murder.
It is not a birth control solution for **** to use.
Posted by: Bob on 1:10pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Mr Ison[/bold] wrote:
I triple dare you to find a Jewish MP who does not represent the Abortionists and their industry.[/quote] This coming from an American Mr' Ison whose country is run by Israel.......
Mr Ison wrote:
I triple dare you to find a Jewish MP who does not represent the Abortionists and their industry.
This coming from an American Mr' Ison whose country is run by Israel.......
Posted by: Susan, Oxford JR on 2:09pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.[/quote] Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets. [/quote] Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!?
Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will.
Idiot!
Alan Page wrote:
John wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.
Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets.
Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!?
Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will.
Idiot!
Posted by: i hate irresponsible biatches on 3:07pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.[/quote] Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets. [/quote] Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot![/quote] Simple solution,drink less,be responsible and use condoms/ birth control pills.
Another Biatch defending slaags
Susan wrote:
Alan Page wrote: John wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.
Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets.
Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot!
Simple solution,drink less,be responsible and use condoms/ birth control pills.
Another Biatch defending slaags
Posted by: Anon on 3:17pm Fri 11 Jul 08
I agree Susan people do not seem to take into consideration that contraception is not 100% fail safe and also that some women base the decsion on the fact that they perhaps can not provide a child with a life it deserves instead of willy nilly producing un wanted children whch do not go through the adoption process as it is not that easy.
I agree Susan people do not seem to take into consideration that contraception is not 100% fail safe and also that some women base the decsion on the fact that they perhaps can not provide a child with a life it deserves instead of willy nilly producing un wanted children whch do not go through the adoption process as it is not that easy.
Posted by: Susan, Oxford JR on 4:44pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]i hate irresponsible biatches[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O\'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were \'No prstitutes in Dublin\'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.[/quote] Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there\'s a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian \"my right to my own body\" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets. [/quote] Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot![/quote] Simple solution,drink less,be responsible and use condoms/ birth control pills. Another Biatch defending slaags[/quote] No I'm not defending slappers who cant keep their legs clsed after drinking too much vodka and end up on Jeremy Kyle because they cant remember who they shagged.
I'm defening those who have used contraception you idiot!
I'm also speaking on behalf of women as they are the ones that have to go through the medical side of this not some rubbish spouting idiot who hasnt a clue like you and Alan Page.
Pair of losers
i hate irresponsible biatches wrote:
Susan wrote: Alan Page wrote: John wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O\'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were \'No prstitutes in Dublin\'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.
Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there\'s a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian \"my right to my own body\" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets.
Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot!
Simple solution,drink less,be responsible and use condoms/ birth control pills. Another Biatch defending slaags
No I'm not defending slappers who cant keep their legs clsed after drinking too much vodka and end up on Jeremy Kyle because they cant remember who they shagged.
I'm defening those who have used contraception you idiot!
I'm also speaking on behalf of women as they are the ones that have to go through the medical side of this not some rubbish spouting idiot who hasnt a clue like you and Alan Page.
Pair of losers
Posted by: Susan, Oxford JR on 4:49pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote]I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement[/quote]
Fashion statement? A life changing medical procedure??
What a pathetic uneducated iditoic statement to make.
A fashion statement is a pair of trainers not a bloody abortion you dickhead
I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement
Fashion statement? A life changing medical procedure??
What a pathetic uneducated iditoic statement to make.
A fashion statement is a pair of trainers not a bloody abortion you dickhead
Posted by: John, Banbury on 5:26pm Fri 11 Jul 08
Susan
My comment about fashon statement was a response to Alan's comment. I am male but I have seen women who have been through the procedure and know it is not a decision taken lightly. It is certainly not an easy option but one taken by women faced by an extremly difficult social or medical situation. It is easy for others to sit in an ivory tower and make choices for others leaving them to face the lifetime responsibility of caring for an unplanned child. I support Evan Harris but would ask that you actually read what l what l have written Susan before you start throwing words like dickhead about.
Susan
My comment about fashon statement was a response to Alan's comment. I am male but I have seen women who have been through the procedure and know it is not a decision taken lightly. It is certainly not an easy option but one taken by women faced by an extremly difficult social or medical situation. It is easy for others to sit in an ivory tower and make choices for others leaving them to face the lifetime responsibility of caring for an unplanned child. I support Evan Harris but would ask that you actually read what l what l have written Susan before you start throwing words like dickhead about.
Posted by: Susan, Oxford JR on 5:33pm Fri 11 Jul 08
And it was aimed at Alan Page not you
And it was aimed at Alan Page not you
Posted by: ben on 5:45pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
Alan You are absolutly right. We should return to the good old days were women went to grubby back street flats where knitting needles were used to do the same job. Go to your nearest clinic and you'll see the queues of happy laughing women as they wait to have their termination. Or is Evan Harris going to be standing there weeding out the Aryan Women and only allowing the non Aryan ones to enter. What do you think Alan? You make a reasonable point about desensitising and reducing our humanity. There is no doubt that there are too many abortions in this country every year especially with contraception readily availible (Another real concern being the number of people having unprotected sex). But to call the women who go through this difficult procedure 'vacuous airheads' is to ignore how complex and difficult an issue this is. Please recognise that[/quote] is Evan Harris going to be standing there weeding out the Aryan Women and only allowing the non Aryan ones to enter. What do you think Alan?
i think this is a good john,call it cime prevention.
John wrote:
Alan You are absolutly right. We should return to the good old days were women went to grubby back street flats where knitting needles were used to do the same job. Go to your nearest clinic and you'll see the queues of happy laughing women as they wait to have their termination. Or is Evan Harris going to be standing there weeding out the Aryan Women and only allowing the non Aryan ones to enter. What do you think Alan? You make a reasonable point about desensitising and reducing our humanity. There is no doubt that there are too many abortions in this country every year especially with contraception readily availible (Another real concern being the number of people having unprotected sex). But to call the women who go through this difficult procedure 'vacuous airheads' is to ignore how complex and difficult an issue this is. Please recognise that
is Evan Harris going to be standing there weeding out the Aryan Women and only allowing the non Aryan ones to enter. What do you think Alan?
i think this is a good john,call it cime prevention.
Posted by: John, Banbury on 6:06pm Fri 11 Jul 08
In which case I appologise Susan
In which case I appologise Susan
Posted by: dan, abingdon on 6:09pm Fri 11 Jul 08
the feminist brigade have a lot to answer for,or should i say-men hater's.
the feminist brigade have a lot to answer for,or should i say-men hater's.
Posted by: Susan, Oxford JR on 9:11pm Fri 11 Jul 08
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote:
In which case I appologise Susan[/quote] I apologise if you were insulted by the dickhead comment - it was totally aimed at Alan Page and I think the majority will agree he is through and through
John wrote:
In which case I appologise Susan
I apologise if you were insulted by the dickhead comment - it was totally aimed at Alan Page and I think the majority will agree he is through and through
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 12:43am Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.[/quote] Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets. [/quote] Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot![/quote] Er... no perhaps if you read my comment a little more carefully instead of getting all het up and hysterical I said that the adoption process should be given a higher profile as an option in non emergency cases.
I do realise that people like you won't be happy until you can pick and choose the precise kind of child you want, like a new dress. "Oh, the hairs nice on this one, I think we can keep it" "Are you certain dear the left leg looks a bit stiff?" "Yes, it goes well with the wallpaper." "Ok Doc, we've decided we want to keep this one, it's just the twenty I had in the past few months we need to settle up on."
Animal Rights Campaigner Peter Singer believes that people should be able to choose to abort disabled foetuses. Presumably this could be extended?
I await your response with some amusement.
Susan wrote:
Alan Page wrote: John wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.
Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets.
Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot!
Er... no perhaps if you read my comment a little more carefully instead of getting all het up and hysterical I said that the adoption process should be given a higher profile as an option in non emergency cases.
I do realise that people like you won't be happy until you can pick and choose the precise kind of child you want, like a new dress. "Oh, the hairs nice on this one, I think we can keep it" "Are you certain dear the left leg looks a bit stiff?" "Yes, it goes well with the wallpaper." "Ok Doc, we've decided we want to keep this one, it's just the twenty I had in the past few months we need to settle up on."
Animal Rights Campaigner Peter Singer believes that people should be able to choose to abort disabled foetuses. Presumably this could be extended?
I await your response with some amusement.
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 12:47am Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]i hate irresponsible biatches[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.[/quote] Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets. [/quote] Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot![/quote] Simple solution,drink less,be responsible and use condoms/ birth control pills. Another Biatch defending slaags[/quote] Totally agree, perhaps if people like her were to keep her legs together a little more often and not simply leap into the sack with the first glowstick waving creep that comes their way, they would not have to spend so much time in clinics.
There is always the morning after pill as well you know.
i hate irresponsible biatches wrote:
Susan wrote: Alan Page wrote: John wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were 'No prstitutes in Dublin'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.
Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there's a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian "my right to my own body" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets.
Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot!
Simple solution,drink less,be responsible and use condoms/ birth control pills. Another Biatch defending slaags
Totally agree, perhaps if people like her were to keep her legs together a little more often and not simply leap into the sack with the first glowstick waving creep that comes their way, they would not have to spend so much time in clinics.
There is always the morning after pill as well you know.
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 12:48am Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
I agree Susan people do not seem to take into consideration that contraception is not 100% fail safe and also that some women base the decsion on the fact that they perhaps can not provide a child with a life it deserves instead of willy nilly producing un wanted children whch do not go through the adoption process as it is not that easy.[/quote] And the morning after pill?
Anon wrote:
I agree Susan people do not seem to take into consideration that contraception is not 100% fail safe and also that some women base the decsion on the fact that they perhaps can not provide a child with a life it deserves instead of willy nilly producing un wanted children whch do not go through the adoption process as it is not that easy.
And the morning after pill?
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 12:54am Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]i hate irresponsible biatches[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O\'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were \'No prstitutes in Dublin\'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.[/quote] Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there\'s a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian \"my right to my own body\" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets. [/quote] Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot![/quote] Simple solution,drink less,be responsible and use condoms/ birth control pills. Another Biatch defending slaags[/quote] No I'm not defending slappers who cant keep their legs clsed after drinking too much vodka and end up on Jeremy Kyle because they cant remember who they shagged. I'm defening those who have used contraception you idiot! I'm also speaking on behalf of women as they are the ones that have to go through the medical side of this not some rubbish spouting idiot who hasnt a clue like you and Alan Page. Pair of losers[/quote] Oh dear. The "Chav" stereotype rears it ugly head again. What is about the bourgoeis and Jeremy Kyle anyway?
I'm sure it's not only people who use contraception who will be "defened" (is that "Deafening" or "Defining" we are talking about here? Never post while having a feeling Susan, it makes you look all illiterate) its certainly rattling my windows as well.
Susan wrote:
i hate irresponsible biatches wrote: Susan wrote: Alan Page wrote: John wrote: The figures for abortions in England and Wales in 2006 were 193700, 30% of these were carried out for medical reasons. The most common age group was that of women aged 19. http://www.dh.gov.uk /en/Publicationsands tatistics/Publicatio ns/PublicationsStati stics/DH_075697 These are disturbing figures indeed but whilst I accept your reservations, I do wonder what the alternative is. Do we end up with the hypocritical position of the Republic of Ireland which has little abortion because women take the ferry or aeroplane over here to have their terminations? They claim to be resident and so show up on the figures as such. They then return home, no longer pregnant. Reminisant of the play by Sean O\'Casey put on in the Abbey theatre in Dublin which showed prostitutes. The audience almost rioted claiming that there were \'No prstitutes in Dublin\'. At the time Dublin had more prostitutes than any other city in Europe. I believe that the solution is not to limit the availibility or accessability of abortion but to question why, with widespread access to contraception (And accepting that the responsibilty for contraception lies with both men and women), so many (often young) women end up feeling they need one. I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement or a form of contraception for the careless or the forgetful.
Well, I am afraid we have to agree to disagree then. You say you are not convinced that abortion has become a fashion statement or a form of contraception yet point out that only 30% were carried out for strictly medical reasons. The other figures to look at were whether these were done privately or on the NHS. If the former then the pofit motive plays a large role in the determination. Why commend, promote and advertise (on television) other means of contraception when there\'s a nice little earner in foetus removal? Of course, as with drugs and child prostitutes you are going to get abortion tourism, if people need a certain kind of experience or proceedure they will turn to more liberal countries for it. That is not neccesarily a good thing!! Again it is the Libertarian \"my right to my own body\" attitude that is leading us down this road. Abortion SHOULD BE the LAST alternative (adoption should be higher up the list) for anybody, it should not be bottled and sold in Supermarkets.
Because being female you would understand that women can of course go through 9 months of pregnany then just give up that child for adoption rather than terminating an unwanted pregnancy!?!? Do not comment on a subject you have no knowledge of (doubtful you have ever had sex other than with yourself). Do not understand and never will. Idiot!
Simple solution,drink less,be responsible and use condoms/ birth control pills. Another Biatch defending slaags
No I'm not defending slappers who cant keep their legs clsed after drinking too much vodka and end up on Jeremy Kyle because they cant remember who they shagged. I'm defening those who have used contraception you idiot! I'm also speaking on behalf of women as they are the ones that have to go through the medical side of this not some rubbish spouting idiot who hasnt a clue like you and Alan Page. Pair of losers
Oh dear. The "Chav" stereotype rears it ugly head again. What is about the bourgoeis and Jeremy Kyle anyway?
I'm sure it's not only people who use contraception who will be "defened" (is that "Deafening" or "Defining" we are talking about here? Never post while having a feeling Susan, it makes you look all illiterate) its certainly rattling my windows as well.
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 12:57am Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote:
[quote]I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement[/quote] Fashion statement? A life changing medical procedure?? What a pathetic uneducated iditoic statement to make. A fashion statement is a pair of trainers not a bloody abortion you dickhead [/quote] Or aborting a disabled foetus because it doesn't suit the active lifestyle of endless partying?
Susan wrote:
I have yet to be covinced that it is just fashon statement
Fashion statement? A life changing medical procedure?? What a pathetic uneducated iditoic statement to make. A fashion statement is a pair of trainers not a bloody abortion you dickhead
Or aborting a disabled foetus because it doesn't suit the active lifestyle of endless partying?
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 1:02am Sat 12 Jul 08
It is amusing what kind of hornets nest you can stir up among bourgeois liberals.
It is about time their materialistic reductionism was exposed and pulled apart.
People before profit.
It is amusing what kind of hornets nest you can stir up among bourgeois liberals.
It is about time their materialistic reductionism was exposed and pulled apart.
People before profit.
Posted by: Tom on 10:53am Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: In which case I appologise Susan[/quote] I apologise if you were insulted by the dickhead comment - it was totally aimed at Alan Page and I think the majority will agree he is through and through[/quote] Susan,you are a cancer on society.Abortion for other than medical reasons is murder,plain and simple.If you think it is normal then you really need to look in the mirror and see what a monster you are.
P.S try to be a bit more creative,instead of calling people dickheads.
Susan wrote:
John wrote: In which case I appologise Susan
I apologise if you were insulted by the dickhead comment - it was totally aimed at Alan Page and I think the majority will agree he is through and through
Susan,you are a cancer on society.Abortion for other than medical reasons is murder,plain and simple.If you think it is normal then you really need to look in the mirror and see what a monster you are.
P.S try to be a bit more creative,instead of calling people dickheads.
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 10:57am Sat 12 Jul 08
In India, more male children are born than females.The reason? Selective abortion.
Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.
This is what the people supporting these measures really want.
It is also interesting to note the two edged sword. On the one hand its a highly traumatic life changing proceedure. On the other it should be on sale at Tesco's.
I would have thought that seeking to avoid traumatic situations would have been the key but, hey, "personal choice" rules.
"Hey, its my right to submit to invasive surgery for the paltriest of reasons so I can bore you all with how traumatised it has left me."
The only people who will benefit are manufacturers of abortion pills and sonar devices. Money in the bank to them.
There are sound reasons why two doctors signatures are reccomended. To discount this on the grounds of some self centred **** wanting shot of something she created because it could disrupt her career as quickly as possible is simply inhumane and heartless to the nth degree.
In India, more male children are born than females.The reason? Selective abortion.
Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.
This is what the people supporting these measures really want.
It is also interesting to note the two edged sword. On the one hand its a highly traumatic life changing proceedure. On the other it should be on sale at Tesco's.
I would have thought that seeking to avoid traumatic situations would have been the key but, hey, "personal choice" rules.
"Hey, its my right to submit to invasive surgery for the paltriest of reasons so I can bore you all with how traumatised it has left me."
The only people who will benefit are manufacturers of abortion pills and sonar devices. Money in the bank to them.
There are sound reasons why two doctors signatures are reccomended. To discount this on the grounds of some self centred **** wanting shot of something she created because it could disrupt her career as quickly as possible is simply inhumane and heartless to the nth degree.
Posted by: Susan, Oxford JR on 12:54pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Tom[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: In which case I appologise Susan[/quote] I apologise if you were insulted by the dickhead comment - it was totally aimed at Alan Page and I think the majority will agree he is through and through[/quote] Susan,you are a cancer on society.Abortion for other than medical reasons is murder,plain and simple.If you think it is normal then you really need to look in the mirror and see what a monster you are. P.S try to be a bit more creative,instead of calling people dickheads.[/quote] I never said if I was for or against now did I?!?
P.S Open your eyes and read before you sling the mud!
Tom wrote:
Susan wrote: John wrote: In which case I appologise Susan
I apologise if you were insulted by the dickhead comment - it was totally aimed at Alan Page and I think the majority will agree he is through and through
Susan,you are a cancer on society.Abortion for other than medical reasons is murder,plain and simple.If you think it is normal then you really need to look in the mirror and see what a monster you are. P.S try to be a bit more creative,instead of calling people dickheads.
I never said if I was for or against now did I?!?
P.S Open your eyes and read before you sling the mud!
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 1:05pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote]Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology[/quote]
[bold]I've finally lost the plot!! The voices are talking to me the lasers shine their lights in my eyes - I need tin foil wrapped round my head to stop them infiltrating me...
All deliveries of tin foil to my home address of 34 Lime Grove Guildford..[/bold]
Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology
I've finally lost the plot!! The voices are talking to me the lasers shine their lights in my eyes - I need tin foil wrapped round my head to stop them infiltrating me...
All deliveries of tin foil to my home address of 34 Lime Grove Guildford.. Posted by: Anon, Oxford JR on 1:25pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote]Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.[/quote]
What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case!
Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.
What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case!
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 1:49pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology[/quote] [bold]I've finally lost the plot!! The voices are talking to me the lasers shine their lights in my eyes - I need tin foil wrapped round my head to stop them infiltrating me... All deliveries of tin foil to my home address of 34 Lime Grove Guildford..[/bold] [/quote] This is actually a verifiable fact. Try googling "India" "selective abortions" etc.
Please keep publishing what you believe to be my home address though. It is amusing to think that although numerous people might be using the same name and that the name itself might be a pseudonym, your stupidity and vacuous espousal of every fashionable cause (Prohibition doesnt work ban fox hunting, medical experiments on animals but legalise drugs etc.) has made my democratic opinions such a threat to you that you leap on the first false trail you find.
Alan Page wrote:
Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology
I've finally lost the plot!! The voices are talking to me the lasers shine their lights in my eyes - I need tin foil wrapped round my head to stop them infiltrating me... All deliveries of tin foil to my home address of 34 Lime Grove Guildford..
This is actually a verifiable fact. Try googling "India" "selective abortions" etc.
Please keep publishing what you believe to be my home address though. It is amusing to think that although numerous people might be using the same name and that the name itself might be a pseudonym, your stupidity and vacuous espousal of every fashionable cause (Prohibition doesnt work ban fox hunting, medical experiments on animals but legalise drugs etc.) has made my democratic opinions such a threat to you that you leap on the first false trail you find.
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 1:53pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.[/quote] What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case![/quote] Oh dear. We have gone off the handle haven't we?
Didn't you know it is now possible for parents of unborn children to be able to discover what sex they are?
Rather old bit of news but, if your not up to speed, its not my fault.
Anon wrote:
Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.
What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case!
Oh dear. We have gone off the handle haven't we?
Didn't you know it is now possible for parents of unborn children to be able to discover what sex they are?
Rather old bit of news but, if your not up to speed, its not my fault.
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 2:05pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Tom[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Susan[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]John[/bold] wrote: In which case I appologise Susan[/quote] I apologise if you were insulted by the dickhead comment - it was totally aimed at Alan Page and I think the majority will agree he is through and through[/quote] Susan,you are a cancer on society.Abortion for other than medical reasons is murder,plain and simple.If you think it is normal then you really need to look in the mirror and see what a monster you are. P.S try to be a bit more creative,instead of calling people dickheads.[/quote] I never said if I was for or against now did I?!? P.S Open your eyes and read before you sling the mud![/quote] This is hilarious. If you were neither for or against, you would not have commented.
Susan wrote:
Tom wrote: Susan wrote: John wrote: In which case I appologise Susan
I apologise if you were insulted by the dickhead comment - it was totally aimed at Alan Page and I think the majority will agree he is through and through
Susan,you are a cancer on society.Abortion for other than medical reasons is murder,plain and simple.If you think it is normal then you really need to look in the mirror and see what a monster you are. P.S try to be a bit more creative,instead of calling people dickheads.
I never said if I was for or against now did I?!? P.S Open your eyes and read before you sling the mud!
This is hilarious. If you were neither for or against, you would not have commented.
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 2:08pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.[/quote] What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case![/quote] "Anon" JR?
Previously it was "Susan JR".
I have never laughed so hard.
Anon wrote:
Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.
What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case!
"Anon" JR?
Previously it was "Susan JR".
I have never laughed so hard.
Posted by: Anon, Oxford JR - where there is more than 1 person! on 5:16pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: [quote]Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.[/quote] What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case![/quote] "Anon" JR? Previously it was "Susan JR". I have never laughed so hard.[/quote] Yes we both work together - have you ever heard of working with other people?
Friends even?
Probably not!!
Thats probably why you spend all you spare friendless life on here, attacking anyone who inputs anything that isnt at all of liking to your bi-polar ramblings.
I would invite you to the JR for a visit and education on how babies are made (you clearly have no idea) but I think you may be better off going to the Warneford for an assesment as you think tin foil is the answer to your problems?!?!
You have never laughed so hard? What at two people being in the same place? Funny old thing that but I guess you never experienced that yourself, being a loner and a cretin will do that to you.
And look at you on here until 1am most days even posting your address so people will be friends with you - how very very very sad.
Its a shame yur mother didnt agree with aborion maybe we wouldnt have to put up with you.......
Alan Page wrote:
Anon wrote: Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.
What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case!
"Anon" JR? Previously it was "Susan JR". I have never laughed so hard.
Yes we both work together - have you ever heard of working with other people?
Friends even?
Probably not!!
Thats probably why you spend all you spare friendless life on here, attacking anyone who inputs anything that isnt at all of liking to your bi-polar ramblings.
I would invite you to the JR for a visit and education on how babies are made (you clearly have no idea) but I think you may be better off going to the Warneford for an assesment as you think tin foil is the answer to your problems?!?!
You have never laughed so hard? What at two people being in the same place? Funny old thing that but I guess you never experienced that yourself, being a loner and a cretin will do that to you.
And look at you on here until 1am most days even posting your address so people will be friends with you - how very very very sad.
Its a shame yur mother didnt agree with aborion maybe we wouldnt have to put up with you.......
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 5:27pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Alan was found under a gooseberry bush,the Storks dropped him on his head.
Alan was found under a gooseberry bush,the Storks dropped him on his head.
Posted by: Tom on 6:22pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: [quote]Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.[/quote] What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case![/quote] "Anon" JR? Previously it was "Susan JR". I have never laughed so hard.[/quote] Yes we both work together - have you ever heard of working with other people? Friends even? Probably not!! Thats probably why you spend all you spare friendless life on here, attacking anyone who inputs anything that isnt at all of liking to your bi-polar ramblings. I would invite you to the JR for a visit and education on how babies are made (you clearly have no idea) but I think you may be better off going to the Warneford for an assesment as you think tin foil is the answer to your problems?!?! You have never laughed so hard? What at two people being in the same place? Funny old thing that but I guess you never experienced that yourself, being a loner and a cretin will do that to you. And look at you on here until 1am most days even posting your address so people will be friends with you - how very very very sad. Its a shame yur mother didnt agree with aborion maybe we wouldnt have to put up with you.......[/quote] what is aborion?
Anon wrote:
Alan Page wrote: Anon wrote: Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.
What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case!
"Anon" JR? Previously it was "Susan JR". I have never laughed so hard.
Yes we both work together - have you ever heard of working with other people? Friends even? Probably not!! Thats probably why you spend all you spare friendless life on here, attacking anyone who inputs anything that isnt at all of liking to your bi-polar ramblings. I would invite you to the JR for a visit and education on how babies are made (you clearly have no idea) but I think you may be better off going to the Warneford for an assesment as you think tin foil is the answer to your problems?!?! You have never laughed so hard? What at two people being in the same place? Funny old thing that but I guess you never experienced that yourself, being a loner and a cretin will do that to you. And look at you on here until 1am most days even posting your address so people will be friends with you - how very very very sad. Its a shame yur mother didnt agree with aborion maybe we wouldnt have to put up with you.......
what is aborion?
Posted by: Anon, Oxford JR on 7:34pm Sat 12 Jul 08
Ok typo error abortion.
Your quite up Alan's **** aren't you Tom?
Ok typo error abortion.
Your quite up Alan's **** aren't you Tom?
Posted by: Alan Page, Guildford on 11:49pm Sat 12 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan Page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote: [quote]Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.[/quote] What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case![/quote] "Anon" JR? Previously it was "Susan JR". I have never laughed so hard.[/quote] Yes we both work together - have you ever heard of working with other people? Friends even? Probably not!! Thats probably why you spend all you spare friendless life on here, attacking anyone who inputs anything that isnt at all of liking to your bi-polar ramblings. I would invite you to the JR for a visit and education on how babies are made (you clearly have no idea) but I think you may be better off going to the Warneford for an assesment as you think tin foil is the answer to your problems?!?! You have never laughed so hard? What at two people being in the same place? Funny old thing that but I guess you never experienced that yourself, being a loner and a cretin will do that to you. And look at you on here until 1am most days even posting your address so people will be friends with you - how very very very sad. Its a shame yur mother didnt agree with aborion maybe we wouldnt have to put up with you.......[/quote] And what do a couple of f--kwits like you have teach anybody about anything?
You don't even know anything about the joys of ultrasound and the practice of selective abortion as it goes on in India.
Just think if you were either Indian or Chinese, you might not have got through the gestation period.
Food for thought there my little liberaliser. Food for thought!!!
Anon wrote:
Alan Page wrote: Anon wrote: Even though it is illegal, countries like the US have been discreetly selling sonar technology (which can predetermine the sex of a child) to couples under the "right to choose" argument.
What about genes and chromosmoes? Did you not pay attention during sex education or biology at school - nut case!
"Anon" JR? Previously it was "Susan JR". I have never laughed so hard.
Yes we both work together - have you ever heard of working with other people? Friends even? Probably not!! Thats probably why you spend all you spare friendless life on here, attacking anyone who inputs anything that isnt at all of liking to your bi-polar ramblings. I would invite you to the JR for a visit and education on how babies are made (you clearly have no idea) but I think you may be better off going to the Warneford for an assesment as you think tin foil is the answer to your problems?!?! You have never laughed so hard? What at two people being in the same place? Funny old thing that but I guess you never experienced that yourself, being a loner and a cretin will do that to you. And look at you on here until 1am most days even posting your address so people will be friends with you - how very very very sad. Its a shame yur mother didnt agree with aborion maybe we wouldnt have to put up with you.......
And what do a couple of f--kwits like you have teach anybody about anything?
You don't even know anything about the joys of ultrasound and the practice of selective abortion as it goes on in India.
Just think if you were either Indian or Chinese, you might not have got through the gestation period.
Food for thought there my little liberaliser. Food for thought!!!
Posted by: Tom on 3:28pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Anon[/bold] wrote:
Ok typo error abortion. Your quite up Alan's **** aren't you Tom?[/quote] I think you will find that i am indeed Alan's arse speaking.
I make no apologies for this,i am an arsehole,but you are an apologist for murder.
Somehow i think i deserve to feel better than you.
But hey the NHS is full of leaches.
I will say it again....
keep your legs closed if you cannot be responsible with your own body.
And alcohol is not an excuse lady.
Anon wrote:
Ok typo error abortion. Your quite up Alan's **** aren't you Tom?
I think you will find that i am indeed Alan's arse speaking.
I make no apologies for this,i am an arsehole,but you are an apologist for murder.
Somehow i think i deserve to feel better than you.
But hey the NHS is full of leaches.
I will say it again....
keep your legs closed if you cannot be responsible with your own body.
And alcohol is not an excuse lady.
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 7:06pm Sun 13 Jul 08
Should they be banned from advertising?
Abortion harms you and others about you,abortion seriously harms the health of your baby.
Should they be banned from advertising?
Abortion harms you and others about you,abortion seriously harms the health of your baby.
Posted by: Tom on 7:11pm Sun 13 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Mr Ison[/bold] wrote:
Should they be banned from advertising? Abortion harms you and others about you,abortion seriously harms the health of your baby.[/quote] no it is labelled as a "procedure" similar to having your nails done.
i guess it is no different to their twisted minds
Mr Ison wrote:
Should they be banned from advertising? Abortion harms you and others about you,abortion seriously harms the health of your baby.
no it is labelled as a "procedure" similar to having your nails done.
i guess it is no different to their twisted minds
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 9:08pm Sun 13 Jul 08
So the MP is an Abortion clinic stakeholder or shareholder?
What's his financial interest as a Jew?
So the MP is an Abortion clinic stakeholder or shareholder?
What's his financial interest as a Jew?
Posted by: Wil on 5:08pm Mon 14 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Mr Ison[/bold] wrote:
So the MP is an Abortion clinic stakeholder or shareholder? What's his financial interest as a Jew?[/quote] Whatever i think of this doctor on the abortion debate, i think his religion should not come into it.
I really do not understand your comment of...
"What's his financial interest as a Jew?"
Are you saying that Jews think of nothing but money?
It is the age old bigotry really
why should jews apologise for being successful?
I have nothing but respect for them in general.
Having been to Israel where i was treated like a king and having known plenty of Jews in NY,i cannot understate their worth to this world.
We all owe the Jewish people for their work in the arts,science and many other fields.
Mr Ison wrote:
So the MP is an Abortion clinic stakeholder or shareholder? What's his financial interest as a Jew?
Whatever i think of this doctor on the abortion debate, i think his religion should not come into it.
I really do not understand your comment of...
"What's his financial interest as a Jew?"
Are you saying that Jews think of nothing but money?
It is the age old bigotry really
why should jews apologise for being successful?
I have nothing but respect for them in general.
Having been to Israel where i was treated like a king and having known plenty of Jews in NY,i cannot understate their worth to this world.
We all owe the Jewish people for their work in the arts,science and many other fields.
