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Rioting hits Campsfield again
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Fresh calls to sort out the running of the controversial Campsfield House immigration detention centre were made tonight after the fourth outbreak of violence in just over a year.
Fires were started inside the centre and sources said about 20 detainees staged a rooftop protest.
Managers were forced to call in more than 200 prison officers, police, firefighters and paramedics to help them regain control on Saturday.
It was the fourth incident in 16 months at the centre, in Langford Lane, Kidlington, which is run by private firm GEO.
A group of about 100 specially-trained prison officers in full riot gear - known as Tornado teams - went into the centre to restore order.
None of the detainees got out of the centre during the disturbance, but two people were treated for minor injuries, including smoke inhalation, by paramedics.
Detainees were locked in an exercise yard where they could be heard shouting and banging on the 25ft-high metal fence.
Tonight, campaigners and local MP Evan Harris said the continuing outbreaks of violence showed something needed to be done.
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| Bill Smith, who lives near Campsfield House |
Dr Harris, the Liberal Democrat MP for Oxford West and Abingdon, said: "This is the fourth reported disturbance in the past 16 months and suggests there is something seriously wrong, either with the Home Office systems or the management of the centre."
Gill Baden, of the Campaign to Close Campsfield, said she wasn't surprised there had been another disturbance.
She said: "I don't know what sparked it off this time.
"Normally, it has been to do with someone being removed forcibly, when they have documents showing they still have an appeal or judicial review.
"We heard a fire was started in the education section and the training room and people were very frightened and people were on the roof.
"We want the whole of the detention system for immigrants stopped."
A UK Border Agency spokesman said a review of the incident would now be held. He said: "The relatively small disturbance at Campsfield has now been resolved peacefully and quickly.
"It was instigated by a small number of individuals determined to frustrate removal.
"They will not succeed and we are considering prosecution."
He could not confirm who would pick up the bill for yesterday's operation.
Trouble broke out at the controversial centre - which holds up to 215 men - just before 2pm.
There was a small amount of damage in one block but not enough to force detainees to be moved.
Thames Valley Police spokesman Rachel McQuilliam said about 50 officers, including dog handlers and the force helicopter, were sent, while others were drafted in for "high-visibility reassurance patrols" in surrounding streets today.
Evenlode Crescent resident David Pitman, 41, said during a disturbance at the centre last summer he chased a detainee down the road.
The father-of-two said: "It has made me more concerned for the children but it has got to be on someone's doorstep. They have to be detained, otherwise this country will be inundated with people coming in from abroad."
And Bill Smith, 50, also of Evenlode Close, said he would like to see the centre closed.
He said: "It has happened before and it will happen again. I can understand why they try to come here but the country is like an over-full rowing boat and it just can't take it any more."
No-one from GEO was available for comment.
7:47pm Sunday 15th June 2008
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CommentPosted by: helen, london on 11:23pm Sun 15 Jun 08
free them i m sure they aloney came to work and feed they poor familys
free them i m sure they aloney came to work and feed they poor familys
Posted by: Terry Chandler on 11:35pm Sun 15 Jun 08
Deport the scum.
Posted by: BNP and Proud, Marston on 11:43pm Sun 15 Jun 08
Send the ungrateful buggers back!
Send the ungrateful buggers back!
Posted by: GET IT SORTED on 12:09am Mon 16 Jun 08
Campsfield is obviously not being run correctly. Is it the inept civil service and corrupt local government again for **** sake!!!
Campsfield is obviously not being run correctly. Is it the inept civil service and corrupt local government again for **** sake!!!
Posted by: Dave, Oxford on 11:01am Mon 16 Jun 08
If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.
If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.
Posted by: David, wantage on 11:12am Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote:
If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.[/quote] So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation?
The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money.
Something's not quite right here.
Dave wrote:
If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.
So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation?
The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money.
Something's not quite right here.
Posted by: alan page on 11:16am Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote:
If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.[/quote] I am given to understand that these bloated BNP supporters are busily deporting themselves abroad anyway, so there's no real need.
Remember migration's ok as long as you wave a Union Jack whilst you go.
Wonder what the Migrationwatch figures are for white middle class brits?
Bet they are not even counted.
Dave wrote:
If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.
I am given to understand that these bloated BNP supporters are busily deporting themselves abroad anyway, so there's no real need.
Remember migration's ok as long as you wave a Union Jack whilst you go.
Wonder what the Migrationwatch figures are for white middle class brits?
Bet they are not even counted.
Posted by: alan page on 11:19am Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Stacey[/bold] wrote:
Um Alan - don't you live in Surrey now?? Surely the most middle class white county in the country. Perhaps you should start there instead of subjecting the people of Oxford to your crass comments[/quote] I live on a council estate here so I have as much right to laugh at your tirades as I have the stockbrokers here.
Stacey wrote:
Um Alan - don't you live in Surrey now?? Surely the most middle class white county in the country. Perhaps you should start there instead of subjecting the people of Oxford to your crass comments
I live on a council estate here so I have as much right to laugh at your tirades as I have the stockbrokers here.
Posted by: alan page on 11:23am Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.[/quote] So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something\'s not quite right here.[/quote] What crime have these people committed to be held like this?
Lets face it with people like you they can't win.
If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving "white man's work", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers.
The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.
David wrote:
Dave wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.
So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something\'s not quite right here.
What crime have these people committed to be held like this?
Lets face it with people like you they can't win.
If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving "white man's work", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers.
The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.
Posted by: alan page on 11:30am Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Stacey[/bold] wrote:
Um Alan - don't you live in Surrey now?? Surely the most middle class white county in the country. Perhaps you should start there instead of subjecting the people of Oxford to your crass comments[/quote] Besides nobody in Surrey is behaving as ludicrously and spouting such hilarious gibberish as the people in Oxford at the moment.
They are comparatively educated in that respect.
Stacey wrote:
Um Alan - don't you live in Surrey now?? Surely the most middle class white county in the country. Perhaps you should start there instead of subjecting the people of Oxford to your crass comments
Besides nobody in Surrey is behaving as ludicrously and spouting such hilarious gibberish as the people in Oxford at the moment.
They are comparatively educated in that respect.
Posted by: Jill, Oxford on 12:01pm Mon 16 Jun 08
...BNP and Proud...if you're that proud then where's your name?Facists like you are the ones that really need detaining
...BNP and Proud...if you're that proud then where's your name?Facists like you are the ones that really need detaining
Posted by: alan page on 12:04pm Mon 16 Jun 08
The other hilarious thing is that, in all probability the very people who support these detention centres would be th first to be on the phone to their solicitors if the countries they migrated to banged them up in a similar way.
Bourgeois logic is hilarious, as are bourgeois attempts at censorship.LOL
The other hilarious thing is that, in all probability the very people who support these detention centres would be th first to be on the phone to their solicitors if the countries they migrated to banged them up in a similar way.
Bourgeois logic is hilarious, as are bourgeois attempts at censorship.LOL
Posted by: frank, oxford on 12:12pm Mon 16 Jun 08
the level of a persons knowledge is not a measurement you can take, or pre judge just by reading a singular comment on a local newspapers website
We are a "soft touch" for any of the illegal immigrants, and many of them at campsfield are habitual criminals, who would think nothing of seriously harming some of your children / brothers / sisters for a few quid
when we have lost all individuality in our homeland, when we have no culture of our own left, then finally you will see, that over the coarse of generations we are being brainwashed...the children only fed information from which they are unable to fathom an educated idea , from rubbish information you can only make a rubbish ideas...this is how it is done, the government and diplomacy is also the art of truth bending with clever wording, the only problem is it can only last so long before a war as Tom up there pointed out
By the way im not a racist......i enjoy different cultures, this is why im SO ANGRY because our culture is being wiped out, and so i want to protect what culture we have, our community spirit is at an all time low....ppl are scared, walk down the road to get ytour morning paper, say "good morning" to someone you pass and your now more likely to get abused than to get a return good morning.....
the level of a persons knowledge is not a measurement you can take, or pre judge just by reading a singular comment on a local newspapers website
We are a "soft touch" for any of the illegal immigrants, and many of them at campsfield are habitual criminals, who would think nothing of seriously harming some of your children / brothers / sisters for a few quid
when we have lost all individuality in our homeland, when we have no culture of our own left, then finally you will see, that over the coarse of generations we are being brainwashed...the children only fed information from which they are unable to fathom an educated idea , from rubbish information you can only make a rubbish ideas...this is how it is done, the government and diplomacy is also the art of truth bending with clever wording, the only problem is it can only last so long before a war as Tom up there pointed out
By the way im not a racist......i enjoy different cultures, this is why im SO ANGRY because our culture is being wiped out, and so i want to protect what culture we have, our community spirit is at an all time low....ppl are scared, walk down the road to get ytour morning paper, say "good morning" to someone you pass and your now more likely to get abused than to get a return good morning.....
Posted by: harold on 12:38pm Mon 16 Jun 08
to the point of the riots, they really arnt helping themselves a lot are they, dipplomacy only goes so far then war.... some may also say they are doing what others did, but the real thing is, if everyone who was a native from family lines born and bred here did this sort of thing, just went on a random violence spree things might turn a little ugly .. but we dont do we, we just sit here..and ignore it .. but they have seen that violence in fact can pay...for them...
you dont show a child he or she will obtain a prize for being naughty do you then act all suprised when it does something bad?
to the point of the riots, they really arnt helping themselves a lot are they, dipplomacy only goes so far then war.... some may also say they are doing what others did, but the real thing is, if everyone who was a native from family lines born and bred here did this sort of thing, just went on a random violence spree things might turn a little ugly .. but we dont do we, we just sit here..and ignore it .. but they have seen that violence in fact can pay...for them...
you dont show a child he or she will obtain a prize for being naughty do you then act all suprised when it does something bad?
Posted by: David, wantage on 1:38pm Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]alan page[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.[/quote] So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something\'s not quite right here.[/quote] What crime have these people committed to be held like this?
Lets face it with people like you they can't win.
If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving "white man's work", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers.
The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.[/quote] No, they would be [bold]thieving[/bold].
Your comments are vacuous, but thank you anyway.
alan page wrote:
David wrote:
Dave wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.
So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something\'s not quite right here.
What crime have these people committed to be held like this?
Lets face it with people like you they can't win.
If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving "white man's work", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers.
The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.
No, they would be
thieving.
Your comments are vacuous, but thank you anyway.
Posted by: Steve, Oxford on 2:09pm Mon 16 Jun 08
The amount of damage caused,not to mention the costing of the emergencies services and the undue stress put on the staff at Campsfield,then my vote would be, send them back to their own country.
The amount of damage caused,not to mention the costing of the emergencies services and the undue stress put on the staff at Campsfield,then my vote would be, send them back to their own country.
Posted by: John x, Kidlington on 2:44pm Mon 16 Jun 08
You lot are missing the point here. The people detained at Campsfield house are either:-
1. Convicted foreign national criminals awaiting deportation.
2. Failed asylum seekers awaiting deportation.
3. Failed asylum seekers who are appealing against their deportation orders.
So no sob stories please....
Jusrt get rid of the trash...........
You lot are missing the point here. The people detained at Campsfield house are either:-
1. Convicted foreign national criminals awaiting deportation.
2. Failed asylum seekers awaiting deportation.
3. Failed asylum seekers who are appealing against their deportation orders.
So no sob stories please....
Jusrt get rid of the trash...........
Posted by: Alfred, Oxford on 3:39pm Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]John x[/bold] wrote:
You lot are missing the point here. The people detained at Campsfield house are either:- 1. Convicted foreign national criminals awaiting deportation. 2. Failed asylum seekers awaiting deportation. 3. Failed asylum seekers who are appealing against their deportation orders. So no sob stories please.... Jusrt get rid of the trash...........[/quote] Hooray - The voice of reason - I am sick to death of the left wing race police bleating on how all whites must be racists - there are more racist foul mouthed forigners then whites - but enough is enough - ethnics are filling the prison service to bursting point - Gun crime , rape , drugs , prostitution - round them all up , give em each 50 k to f**ck off and if they wont , kick them out anyway - and this is the most anoying part - HEy Mr Politician You Fat C**t we live on an Island - so how do the worthless sucm get here in the first place - VOTE Lib DEM - The only voice of reason left
John x wrote:
You lot are missing the point here. The people detained at Campsfield house are either:- 1. Convicted foreign national criminals awaiting deportation. 2. Failed asylum seekers awaiting deportation. 3. Failed asylum seekers who are appealing against their deportation orders. So no sob stories please.... Jusrt get rid of the trash...........
Hooray - The voice of reason - I am sick to death of the left wing race police bleating on how all whites must be racists - there are more racist foul mouthed forigners then whites - but enough is enough - ethnics are filling the prison service to bursting point - Gun crime , rape , drugs , prostitution - round them all up , give em each 50 k to f**ck off and if they wont , kick them out anyway - and this is the most anoying part - HEy Mr Politician You Fat C**t we live on an Island - so how do the worthless sucm get here in the first place - VOTE Lib DEM - The only voice of reason left
Posted by: alan page on 4:33pm Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]alan page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.[/quote] So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something\\\'s not quite right here.[/quote] What crime have these people committed to be held like this? Lets face it with people like you they can\'t win. If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving \"white man\'s work\", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers. The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.[/quote] No, they would be [bold]thieving[/bold]. Your comments are vacuous, but thank you anyway.[/quote] Yes, ad hominen works every time.
I am pleased you find my comments "vacuous", I would hate to think you would agree with me.
David wrote:
alan page wrote: David wrote: Dave wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.
So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something's not quite right here.
What crime have these people committed to be held like this? Lets face it with people like you they can\'t win. If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving \"white man\'s work\", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers. The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.
No, they would be thieving. Your comments are vacuous, but thank you anyway.
Yes, ad hominen works every time.
I am pleased you find my comments "vacuous", I would hate to think you would agree with me.
Posted by: alan page on 4:35pm Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]John x[/bold] wrote:
You lot are missing the point here. The people detained at Campsfield house are either:- 1. Convicted foreign national criminals awaiting deportation. 2. Failed asylum seekers awaiting deportation. 3. Failed asylum seekers who are appealing against their deportation orders. So no sob stories please.... Jusrt get rid of the trash...........[/quote] I presume you work there and know this first hand?
John x wrote:
You lot are missing the point here. The people detained at Campsfield house are either:- 1. Convicted foreign national criminals awaiting deportation. 2. Failed asylum seekers awaiting deportation. 3. Failed asylum seekers who are appealing against their deportation orders. So no sob stories please.... Jusrt get rid of the trash...........
I presume you work there and know this first hand?
Posted by: Gordon Ramsey, Kidlington on 4:36pm Mon 16 Jun 08
This place contains all the Dirge of Asylum Seekers. If they have commited an offence at Campsfield, then its off back to your sunnier climes chaps. It makes me laugh with all you do-gooders. Look at Radiohead complaining, quite comfortable in your numerous houses, Boars Hill and the like. Not on my doorstep, not likey. We are all getting a bit fed up with supporting East European kids with the welfare state, even when they dont live in the country. Send them back, and make it quick.
This place contains all the Dirge of Asylum Seekers. If they have commited an offence at Campsfield, then its off back to your sunnier climes chaps. It makes me laugh with all you do-gooders. Look at Radiohead complaining, quite comfortable in your numerous houses, Boars Hill and the like. Not on my doorstep, not likey. We are all getting a bit fed up with supporting East European kids with the welfare state, even when they dont live in the country. Send them back, and make it quick.
Posted by: alan page on 4:39pm Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]John x[/bold] wrote:
You lot are missing the point here. The people detained at Campsfield house are either:- 1. Convicted foreign national criminals awaiting deportation. 2. Failed asylum seekers awaiting deportation. 3. Failed asylum seekers who are appealing against their deportation orders. So no sob stories please.... Jusrt get rid of the trash...........[/quote] You clearly have no idea what detention centres are about, why they exist and who they actually hold.
Suggest you google the phrase and educate yourself?
John x wrote:
You lot are missing the point here. The people detained at Campsfield house are either:- 1. Convicted foreign national criminals awaiting deportation. 2. Failed asylum seekers awaiting deportation. 3. Failed asylum seekers who are appealing against their deportation orders. So no sob stories please.... Jusrt get rid of the trash...........
You clearly have no idea what detention centres are about, why they exist and who they actually hold.
Suggest you google the phrase and educate yourself?
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 4:44pm Mon 16 Jun 08
'Send them back, and make it quick.' +1!
'Send them back, and make it quick.' +1!
Posted by: alan page on 4:54pm Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]frank[/bold] wrote:
the level of a persons knowledge is not a measurement you can take, or pre judge just by reading a singular comment on a local newspapers website We are a \"soft touch\" for any of the illegal immigrants, and many of them at campsfield are habitual criminals, who would think nothing of seriously harming some of your children / brothers / sisters for a few quid when we have lost all individuality in our homeland, when we have no culture of our own left, then finally you will see, that over the coarse of generations we are being brainwashed...the children only fed information from which they are unable to fathom an educated idea , from rubbish information you can only make a rubbish ideas...this is how it is done, the government and diplomacy is also the art of truth bending with clever wording, the only problem is it can only last so long before a war as Tom up there pointed out By the way im not a racist......i enjoy different cultures, this is why im SO ANGRY because our culture is being wiped out, and so i want to protect what culture we have, our community spirit is at an all time low....ppl are scared, walk down the road to get ytour morning paper, say \"good morning\" to someone you pass and your now more likely to get abused than to get a return good morning..... [/quote] Sorry, who has lost their individuality. I certainly haven't and I spent 10 years in Brum.
What is the issue here? Culture is not set in stone, it evolves and embraces outside influences. Always has and always will.
What century would you like to see us return to?
Choose carefully because there have been immigrants in every century, be it Hugenots in the 18th or the Irish in the 19th.
Yes there are social issues involved and society has become more self centred and less cohesive, but that is not the fault of immigrants. Such things are the result of economic policy and free market fundamentalism reducing such things as housing to commodities. "So many houses, but too few homes" as one piece of graffiti put it.
Blaming immigrants (who are, mostly, only trying to better the lives of their families) is an absurd smokescreen which means the real socioeconomic questions remain unanswered.
Of course if we hadnt bombed the crap out of the middle east, or the eastern european countries in the first place, this would not have happened in the first place.
frank wrote:
the level of a persons knowledge is not a measurement you can take, or pre judge just by reading a singular comment on a local newspapers website We are a \"soft touch\" for any of the illegal immigrants, and many of them at campsfield are habitual criminals, who would think nothing of seriously harming some of your children / brothers / sisters for a few quid when we have lost all individuality in our homeland, when we have no culture of our own left, then finally you will see, that over the coarse of generations we are being brainwashed...the children only fed information from which they are unable to fathom an educated idea , from rubbish information you can only make a rubbish ideas...this is how it is done, the government and diplomacy is also the art of truth bending with clever wording, the only problem is it can only last so long before a war as Tom up there pointed out By the way im not a racist......i enjoy different cultures, this is why im SO ANGRY because our culture is being wiped out, and so i want to protect what culture we have, our community spirit is at an all time low....ppl are scared, walk down the road to get ytour morning paper, say \"good morning\" to someone you pass and your now more likely to get abused than to get a return good morning.....
Sorry, who has lost their individuality. I certainly haven't and I spent 10 years in Brum.
What is the issue here? Culture is not set in stone, it evolves and embraces outside influences. Always has and always will.
What century would you like to see us return to?
Choose carefully because there have been immigrants in every century, be it Hugenots in the 18th or the Irish in the 19th.
Yes there are social issues involved and society has become more self centred and less cohesive, but that is not the fault of immigrants. Such things are the result of economic policy and free market fundamentalism reducing such things as housing to commodities. "So many houses, but too few homes" as one piece of graffiti put it.
Blaming immigrants (who are, mostly, only trying to better the lives of their families) is an absurd smokescreen which means the real socioeconomic questions remain unanswered.
Of course if we hadnt bombed the crap out of the middle east, or the eastern european countries in the first place, this would not have happened in the first place.
Posted by: Alan, Oxford on 6:06pm Mon 16 Jun 08
What right have these ungrateful idiots got to wreck facilities that are put in place purley for them, perhaps theyd prefer Wormwood Scrubs, or better still place them in the homes of the do goods who think the inmates should be placed amongst the general population, see the increase in crime rocket then.
What right have these ungrateful idiots got to wreck facilities that are put in place purley for them, perhaps theyd prefer Wormwood Scrubs, or better still place them in the homes of the do goods who think the inmates should be placed amongst the general population, see the increase in crime rocket then.
Posted by: christine, cowley on 6:50pm Mon 16 Jun 08
I'd happily put up several asylum seekers in my house. Rather ten of them than one ignorant BNP idiot. I'm lucky enough to be white in this country, to have been born and lived in this (relative) democracy. I am also lucky enough to count a dozen or so people among my friends who entered this country seeking asylum. They survived genocide, brutality and unimaginable suffering and are still better human beings than many I have met. They are grateful to this country and endeavour constantly to repay us by making a positive contribution.
I'd happily put up several asylum seekers in my house. Rather ten of them than one ignorant BNP idiot. I'm lucky enough to be white in this country, to have been born and lived in this (relative) democracy. I am also lucky enough to count a dozen or so people among my friends who entered this country seeking asylum. They survived genocide, brutality and unimaginable suffering and are still better human beings than many I have met. They are grateful to this country and endeavour constantly to repay us by making a positive contribution.
Posted by: O A P, oxford on 7:07pm Mon 16 Jun 08
as an oap trying to make ends meet and keeping these ungreatfull people at great expense solve the issue and send back home so they can sponge there
as an oap trying to make ends meet and keeping these ungreatfull people at great expense solve the issue and send back home so they can sponge there
Posted by: David, wantage on 7:23pm Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]alan page[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]alan page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.[/quote] So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something\\\'s not quite right here.[/quote] What crime have these people committed to be held like this? Lets face it with people like you they can\'t win. If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving \"white man\'s work\", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers. The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.[/quote] No, they would be [bold]thieving[/bold]. Your comments are vacuous, but thank you anyway.[/quote] Yes, ad hominen works every time.
I am pleased you find my comments "vacuous", I would hate to think you would agree with me.[/quote] If you go around using Latin all the time, it's small wonder you can't spell English words.
Try borrowing an English phrase book from one of your Johnny foreigner pals.
alan page wrote:
David wrote:
alan page wrote: David wrote: Dave wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.
So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something's not quite right here.
What crime have these people committed to be held like this? Lets face it with people like you they can\'t win. If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving \"white man\'s work\", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers. The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.
No, they would be thieving. Your comments are vacuous, but thank you anyway.
Yes, ad hominen works every time.
I am pleased you find my comments "vacuous", I would hate to think you would agree with me.
If you go around using Latin all the time, it's small wonder you can't spell English words.
Try borrowing an English phrase book from one of your Johnny foreigner pals.
Posted by: alan page on 9:22pm Mon 16 Jun 08
[quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]alan page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]alan page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]David[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.[/quote] So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something\\\'s not quite right here.[/quote] What crime have these people committed to be held like this? Lets face it with people like you they can\'t win. If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving \"white man\'s work\", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers. The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.[/quote] No, they would be [bold]thieving[/bold]. Your comments are vacuous, but thank you anyway.[/quote] Yes, ad hominen works every time. I am pleased you find my comments "vacuous", I would hate to think you would agree with me.[/quote] If you go around using Latin all the time, it's small wonder you can't spell English words. Try borrowing an English phrase book from one of your Johnny foreigner pals.[/quote] "Excuse me please where is the toilet?"
Hmmm intriguing stuff.
Thanks for the reccomendation. Not sure it will replace Schopenhauer in my list of faves, though.
Pisces Arboream Orientalis.
Now about these god awful woggies old boy, what do you suggest we do with them?
David wrote:
alan page wrote: David wrote: alan page wrote: David wrote: Dave wrote: If we released the motivated, aspirational and often highly educated inmates at Campsfield and deported the lazy stupid racists in the BNP everybody would be a lot happier, although I accept that this is like dumping your rubbish on the rest of the world.
So, Dave, how motivated, aspirational and often highly educated does someone need to be to trash their own and other residents accommodation? The BNP may have some strange ideas, but these people are just ungrateful, they are being held in what is probably the best custodial system in the world for legitimate reasons by a caring society and they repay us by costing us money. Something's not quite right here.
What crime have these people committed to be held like this? Lets face it with people like you they can\'t win. If they secure jobs and pay taxes, they are accused of theiving \"white man\'s work\", if they claim the dole they are theiving scroungers. The only crime I can see them being guilty of is being foreign.
No, they would be thieving. Your comments are vacuous, but thank you anyway.
Yes, ad hominen works every time. I am pleased you find my comments "vacuous", I would hate to think you would agree with me.
If you go around using Latin all the time, it's small wonder you can't spell English words. Try borrowing an English phrase book from one of your Johnny foreigner pals.
"Excuse me please where is the toilet?"
Hmmm intriguing stuff.
Thanks for the reccomendation. Not sure it will replace Schopenhauer in my list of faves, though.
Pisces Arboream Orientalis.
Now about these god awful woggies old boy, what do you suggest we do with them?
Posted by: BNP and Proud, Marston on 10:50pm Mon 16 Jun 08
Let's hope you get mugged by a Romanian cash-point thief then, you ignorant scumbag! Since these third world scum came to Britain there has been a humongous rise in crime. I take it you don't read newspapers? Turn off the liberal BBC now and get out more you funny creature. People, I suggest we release a car full of Muslim terrorists into this prat's home!
Let's hope you get mugged by a Romanian cash-point thief then, you ignorant scumbag! Since these third world scum came to Britain there has been a humongous rise in crime. I take it you don't read newspapers? Turn off the liberal BBC now and get out more you funny creature. People, I suggest we release a car full of Muslim terrorists into this prat's home!
Posted by: Terry Chandler on 1:00am Tue 17 Jun 08
Alan Page loves George Galloways bottom. The leftie tw*at enemy of England.
Alan Page loves George Galloways bottom. The leftie tw*at enemy of England.
Posted by: alan page on 5:14am Tue 17 Jun 08
[quote][bold]BNP and Proud[/bold] wrote:
Let's hope you get mugged by a Romanian cash-point thief then, you ignorant scumbag! Since these third world scum came to Britain there has been a humongous rise in crime. I take it you don't read newspapers? Turn off the liberal BBC now and get out more you funny creature. People, I suggest we release a car full of Muslim terrorists into this prat's home![/quote] Talking of prats, aren't you the one who I manage to rip the **** out of posing as "residents, Oxford" on another thread?
My friends and I have never laughed so much in our lives.
I think you have shown yourself up to be a gullible pillock which pobably explains your support for the BNP.
BNP and Proud wrote:
Let's hope you get mugged by a Romanian cash-point thief then, you ignorant scumbag! Since these third world scum came to Britain there has been a humongous rise in crime. I take it you don't read newspapers? Turn off the liberal BBC now and get out more you funny creature. People, I suggest we release a car full of Muslim terrorists into this prat's home!
Talking of prats, aren't you the one who I manage to rip the **** out of posing as "residents, Oxford" on another thread?
My friends and I have never laughed so much in our lives.
I think you have shown yourself up to be a gullible pillock which pobably explains your support for the BNP.
Posted by: alan page on 6:40am Tue 17 Jun 08
[quote][bold]Terry Chandler[/bold] wrote:
Alan Page loves George Galloways bottom. The leftie tw*at enemy of England.[/quote] Er no I don't actually. Far too bourgeois for me.
Terry Chandler wrote:
Alan Page loves George Galloways bottom. The leftie tw*at enemy of England.
Er no I don't actually. Far too bourgeois for me.
Posted by: Annie, Newcastle on 10:01pm Thu 19 Jun 08
So why do all these foreign 'scumbags' want to come to Britain then? Could it possibly be that this is an imperialist state, which is bleeding the rest of the world dry like it always has? Whether it's oil from Iraq or the coltan in your mobile phone, stolen from the Congo by British companies - Britain is plundering the rest of the world.
You BNP amateurs are not the issue. If you want to join a REALLY racist party, and one with power, then join the Labour Party.
Britain is 'like an overflowing rowing boat'? Give us a break! Britain is like a little mosquito, thinking it's important as it sucks the blood out of countries around the world.
Victory to the Campsfield escapees! Victory to all detention centre resistance!
[bold]Deportation is the crime. Lock up Labour![/bold]
So why do all these foreign 'scumbags' want to come to Britain then? Could it possibly be that this is an imperialist state, which is bleeding the rest of the world dry like it always has? Whether it's oil from Iraq or the coltan in your mobile phone, stolen from the Congo by British companies - Britain is plundering the rest of the world.
You BNP amateurs are not the issue. If you want to join a REALLY racist party, and one with power, then join the Labour Party.
Britain is 'like an overflowing rowing boat'? Give us a break! Britain is like a little mosquito, thinking it's important as it sucks the blood out of countries around the world.
Victory to the Campsfield escapees! Victory to all detention centre resistance!
Deportation is the crime. Lock up Labour! Posted by: Sandra on 2:48pm Fri 20 Jun 08
The first UK immigration laws were in 1905 and were aimed at keeping out the Jews. Later, the 'Alien Orders' were designed to keep out the Germans. Now they they are aimed at excluding anyone with a brown skin. Americans (white), Australians, New Zealanders aren't locked up like criminals in detention centres. Is it cos they is white!
As for the scum people that have swallowed the latest government propaganda like the fools they are, and who actually inform on desperate escapees (like Bill Smith did) - they are no better than the persecutors of the Jews back in 'the good ol days'. Shame on him
The first UK immigration laws were in 1905 and were aimed at keeping out the Jews. Later, the 'Alien Orders' were designed to keep out the Germans. Now they they are aimed at excluding anyone with a brown skin. Americans (white), Australians, New Zealanders aren't locked up like criminals in detention centres. Is it cos they is white!
As for the scum people that have swallowed the latest government propaganda like the fools they are, and who actually inform on desperate escapees (like Bill Smith did) - they are no better than the persecutors of the Jews back in 'the good ol days'. Shame on him
Posted by: Sandra, oxford on 5:56pm Fri 20 Jun 08
Also...
To those yelling 'send em back'. Don't you realise that it is a TOTAL accident of birth that you find yourselves wealthy, healthy, in a country at peace (while at war, ironically). And that you are likely to live twice as long as someone born in the countries from which these men came from? It's not through your own merit that this accident of birth happened but you behave as if it was! Would you have the courage to go through the hellish journey these men have attempted? Probably not.
And what do you do with all that priviledge? You try and keep others down and deprive them of the freedoms you hold. As if this wasn't bad enough, you make the situations in their own countries unbearable by supporting invasions, polluting their air with your carbon emmissions, poisoning their water with the uranium mining for your electricity, enslaving their children with your thirst for dirt cheap labour.
I hope these men (because that's what they are - not 'illegals', but men) stay free.
Also...
To those yelling 'send em back'. Don't you realise that it is a TOTAL accident of birth that you find yourselves wealthy, healthy, in a country at peace (while at war, ironically). And that you are likely to live twice as long as someone born in the countries from which these men came from? It's not through your own merit that this accident of birth happened but you behave as if it was! Would you have the courage to go through the hellish journey these men have attempted? Probably not.
And what do you do with all that priviledge? You try and keep others down and deprive them of the freedoms you hold. As if this wasn't bad enough, you make the situations in their own countries unbearable by supporting invasions, polluting their air with your carbon emmissions, poisoning their water with the uranium mining for your electricity, enslaving their children with your thirst for dirt cheap labour.
I hope these men (because that's what they are - not 'illegals', but men) stay free.
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