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Ten outof 11 pubs fail drug test
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| PC Nicki Entwistle |
Ten out of 11 pubs and restaurants in Bicester have tested positive for drugs.
But police claim the town does not have a big drugs problem despite some landlords warning the use of recreational drugs is rife.
Officers used swabs to test the toilets of 11 pubs and restaurants in the town centre last month.
Results just revealed show traces of cocaine in nine licensed premises, ketamine - a horse tranquilliser - in three, and heroin in one.
The Oxford Mail is unable to reveal which premises were tested, as police are not releasing details.
Officers are now planning to send in drug sniffer dogs in pubs and restaurants in the town.
Pc Nicki Entwistle said: "Bicester does not have a major drugs problem. We are no different from anywhere else.
"But we know it is happening and we want to work in partnership with the licensees to do something about it. The aim is to try and reduce drug use."
The swabs were used on all flat surfaces in the toilets then fed into a drugs itemiser which tests if cocaine, ketamine, ecstasy, amphetamine, heroin or cannabis has been used in the past 24 hours.
There are no plans to review any licences as a result of the tests and the percentages of drugs found were relatively low, Pc Entwistle said.
Sarah Rundle, landlady at The White Hart, said her pub was tested but would not reveal the results.
She said "I have no problem with police coming and testing our toilets or using the drugs dogs on the customers.
"There are drugs problems everywhere, and Bicester is no different. We have to keep an eye open all the time. It's a major headache.
"We don't want drug users in our pub anyway."
Chris Townsend, landlord of The Star Inn, said: "Bicester certainly has a drugs culture. There are a number of drug pushers in the area, and users. I've barred them all.
"The only way to keep it out of the pub is to have a proper understanding with customers that you won't tolerate it."
Bicester mayor John Cozens said: "It's alarming to know so many drugs are around in Bicester. I think it's disgusting and the police should crack down.
"Drugs are at the heart of so many problems all around the country. Anything that the police can do to stop it, I will support.
"I hope they do use these drug sniffer dogs to find who is using them and that they get caught and given harsh sentences."
6:28pm Friday 21st March 2008
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CommentPosted by: DanOxford on 6:36pm Fri 21 Mar 08
So what? Is Bicester suffering any [bold]REAL[/bold] effects from this widespread drug use? Like an increase in burglary, violence, public order offences? Or are people simply snortinga line, returning to their pint and talking b*llocks in an over- excited way for 20 minutes?
TVP obviously have some shiny new drug testing kits they can't wait to harrass people with.
Stop wasting time like some over- zealous Public School prefect and deal with what [bold]REALLY[/bold] concerns people- [bold]REAL[/bold] crime with [bold]REAL[/bold] impacts on [bold]REAL[/bold] people.
So what? Is Bicester suffering any
REAL effects from this widespread drug use? Like an increase in burglary, violence, public order offences? Or are people simply snortinga line, returning to their pint and talking b*llocks in an over- excited way for 20 minutes?
TVP obviously have some shiny new drug testing kits they can't wait to harrass people with.
Stop wasting time like some over- zealous Public School prefect and deal with what
REALLY concerns people-
REAL crime with
REAL impacts on
REAL people.
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 6:45pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Lol,it's okay as Oxford is a student town.
Lol,it's okay as Oxford is a student town.
Posted by: donna-anne salad, on the bus to bicester on 7:16pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Ha Ha, they failed their drug test, I passsed mine with A# (with-a-hash !)
Ha Ha, they failed their drug test, I passsed mine with A# (with-a-hash !)
Posted by: donna-anne salad, on the bus to bicester on 7:16pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Ha Ha, they failed their drug test, I passsed mine with A# (with-a-hash !)
Ha Ha, they failed their drug test, I passsed mine with A# (with-a-hash !)
Posted by: Charlie-Sid Rizla, ParkEnd St on 7:20pm Fri 21 Mar 08
I failed mine and had to stay behind to do extra lines
I failed mine and had to stay behind to do extra lines
Posted by: jane, home on 8:27pm Fri 21 Mar 08
and alcohol is not a drug?..
just as long as people keep drinking the most dangerous drug in the world, alcohol, so the government can reap the taxes from all the deaths...they will try and stop you using statistically safer drugs...
that makes alot of sense..well i suppose, at least it makes the police look like they're solving some sort of crime..
enter alan stage left, drugs are bad mmm,kay
my brother, mmmmm, mental, drugs, your all losers...LOL
and alcohol is not a drug?..
just as long as people keep drinking the most dangerous drug in the world, alcohol, so the government can reap the taxes from all the deaths...they will try and stop you using statistically safer drugs...
that makes alot of sense..well i suppose, at least it makes the police look like they're solving some sort of crime..
enter alan stage left, drugs are bad mmm,kay
my brother, mmmmm, mental, drugs, your all losers...LOL
Posted by: K, Oxford on 9:47pm Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote]and alcohol is not a drug?..
just as long as people keep drinking the most dangerous drug in the world, alcohol, so the government can reap the taxes from all the deaths...they will try and stop you using statistically safer drugs...[/quote]
Rubbish. You think it would have been safer for me to inject some heroin then have a glass of wine with supper tonight? Keep living in your dream world.
and alcohol is not a drug?..
just as long as people keep drinking the most dangerous drug in the world, alcohol, so the government can reap the taxes from all the deaths...they will try and stop you using statistically safer drugs...
Rubbish. You think it would have been safer for me to inject some heroin then have a glass of wine with supper tonight? Keep living in your dream world.
Posted by: Dave, Still indoors on 10:31pm Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]K[/bold] wrote:
[quote]and alcohol is not a drug?..
just as long as people keep drinking the most dangerous drug in the world, alcohol, so the government can reap the taxes from all the deaths...they will try and stop you using statistically safer drugs...[/quote]
Rubbish. You think it would have been safer for me to inject some heroin then have a glass of wine with supper tonight? Keep living in your dream world.[/quote] Wine slurping fool and your stupid drunken comment. The comment your slagging off is regards to cocaine, not heroin. Fool. If you had more than half a brain you wouldn't be drinking that slop. Let me guess, as a white collar worker unit, you think your middle class. If you work, your working class. If you don't work your a parasite.
K wrote:
and alcohol is not a drug?..
just as long as people keep drinking the most dangerous drug in the world, alcohol, so the government can reap the taxes from all the deaths...they will try and stop you using statistically safer drugs...
Rubbish. You think it would have been safer for me to inject some heroin then have a glass of wine with supper tonight? Keep living in your dream world.
Wine slurping fool and your stupid drunken comment. The comment your slagging off is regards to cocaine, not heroin. Fool. If you had more than half a brain you wouldn't be drinking that slop. Let me guess, as a white collar worker unit, you think your middle class. If you work, your working class. If you don't work your a parasite.
Posted by: notaniceplace on 10:47pm Fri 21 Mar 08
i stopped in bicester once and had my car broken in to. now i drive thru there fast. i would rather live in bretch hill or bbleys (or north korea) than bi-ces-ter!
i stopped in bicester once and had my car broken in to. now i drive thru there fast. i would rather live in bretch hill or bbleys (or north korea) than bi-ces-ter!
Posted by: Aunt Fannys Sister, Spliff town Antartic on 11:14pm Fri 21 Mar 08
drug testing kit...how amusing.Burglars wear gloves to prevent there D.N.A.........Wont belong for the users do the same.What people want to do with there lives is there choice and NO ONE ELSES.Go get a life ,enjoy .
drug testing kit...how amusing.Burglars wear gloves to prevent there D.N.A.........Wont belong for the users do the same.What people want to do with there lives is there choice and NO ONE ELSES.Go get a life ,enjoy .
Posted by: Aunt Fannys Uncle Elvis aged 97 on 11:30pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Drink and Drug Councellors Wanted.Apply to your nearest Dole Office.
Drink and Drug Councellors Wanted.Apply to your nearest Dole Office.
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 11:37pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Perhaps the police role is changing and you will tip them after doing your business?
Perhaps the police role is changing and you will tip them after doing your business?
Posted by: Aunt Fannys Sisters Teacher, somerville college on 12:01am Sat 22 Mar 08
my my young lady what has happened to your english? i never taught you to write like that.
my my young lady what has happened to your english? i never taught you to write like that.
Posted by: alan page on 12:47am Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]K[/bold] wrote: [quote]and alcohol is not a drug?.. just as long as people keep drinking the most dangerous drug in the world, alcohol, so the government can reap the taxes from all the deaths...they will try and stop you using statistically safer drugs...[/quote] Rubbish. You think it would have been safer for me to inject some heroin then have a glass of wine with supper tonight? Keep living in your dream world.[/quote] Wine slurping fool and your stupid drunken comment. The comment your slagging off is regards to cocaine, not heroin. Fool. If you had more than half a brain you wouldn't be drinking that slop. Let me guess, as a white collar worker unit, you think your middle class. If you work, your working class. If you don't work your a parasite.[/quote] And according to most recent scientific studies including a ratings board, Cocaine is up there with heroin.
Far more dangerous socially than either alcohol or tobacco.
Junkies do have a point though. Alcohol levelled the entire population of China in East London last year. Wheras Heroin and Crack combined have only killed 3 people in the past 30,000 years. So it must be safer to be a smackhead. Musn't it?
Of course you don't tend to get people stealing stuff to buy fags or booze. Wheras junkies can't help themselves enough.
"Hey hey we're the junkies!
People say we Junkie around!
But we're too busy, twirling, puking, theiving, hallucinating, spouting high volume gibberish, laughing at nothing funny, discussing comparative rizla thickness, forcing on other people our depressed moves whilst our brain chemistry readjusts to it's usual dopamine levels, whining about how unfair it is that people should persecute us for choosing to arm terrorists in Columbia for the sole purpose of behaving like a demented loud mouthed over confident pillock for 20 minutes then lapsing into "nobody loves me" mood for the next three days,
running away from our problems instead of confronting them head on like the lily livered cowards we really are, telling everybody that crack is just like a bowl of sugar etc etc etc
to put anybody down."
"They said Amy what about rehab, I said Blibble blabble goldfish."
"WE DON'T WANT DRUG USERS IN OUR PUBS", the lady says!!
GET OVER IT JUNKIES!!!!
Dave wrote:
K wrote: and alcohol is not a drug?.. just as long as people keep drinking the most dangerous drug in the world, alcohol, so the government can reap the taxes from all the deaths...they will try and stop you using statistically safer drugs...
Rubbish. You think it would have been safer for me to inject some heroin then have a glass of wine with supper tonight? Keep living in your dream world.
Wine slurping fool and your stupid drunken comment. The comment your slagging off is regards to cocaine, not heroin. Fool. If you had more than half a brain you wouldn't be drinking that slop. Let me guess, as a white collar worker unit, you think your middle class. If you work, your working class. If you don't work your a parasite.
And according to most recent scientific studies including a ratings board, Cocaine is up there with heroin.
Far more dangerous socially than either alcohol or tobacco.
Junkies do have a point though. Alcohol levelled the entire population of China in East London last year. Wheras Heroin and Crack combined have only killed 3 people in the past 30,000 years. So it must be safer to be a smackhead. Musn't it?
Of course you don't tend to get people stealing stuff to buy fags or booze. Wheras junkies can't help themselves enough.
"Hey hey we're the junkies!
People say we Junkie around!
But we're too busy, twirling, puking, theiving, hallucinating, spouting high volume gibberish, laughing at nothing funny, discussing comparative rizla thickness, forcing on other people our depressed moves whilst our brain chemistry readjusts to it's usual dopamine levels, whining about how unfair it is that people should persecute us for choosing to arm terrorists in Columbia for the sole purpose of behaving like a demented loud mouthed over confident pillock for 20 minutes then lapsing into "nobody loves me" mood for the next three days,
running away from our problems instead of confronting them head on like the lily livered cowards we really are, telling everybody that crack is just like a bowl of sugar etc etc etc
to put anybody down."
"They said Amy what about rehab, I said Blibble blabble goldfish."
"WE DON'T WANT DRUG USERS IN OUR PUBS", the lady says!!
GET OVER IT JUNKIES!!!!
Posted by: alan page on 12:52am Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Aunt Fannys Sister[/bold] wrote:
drug testing kit...how amusing.Burglars wear gloves to prevent there D.N.A.........Wont belong for the users do the same.What people want to do with there lives is there choice and NO ONE ELSES.Go get a life ,enjoy .[/quote] That applies to downloading pictures of naked children as well then?
After all 13 million individuals did that in the past two years and by hiding their computer details ensured they wouldn't be traced.
So would you decriminalise the possession of such material as well?
Just a thought. I know what your answer is. The same as I feel about Junkies.
Get over it yourself!!
Aunt Fannys Sister wrote:
drug testing kit...how amusing.Burglars wear gloves to prevent there D.N.A.........Wont belong for the users do the same.What people want to do with there lives is there choice and NO ONE ELSES.Go get a life ,enjoy .
That applies to downloading pictures of naked children as well then?
After all 13 million individuals did that in the past two years and by hiding their computer details ensured they wouldn't be traced.
So would you decriminalise the possession of such material as well?
Just a thought. I know what your answer is. The same as I feel about Junkies.
Get over it yourself!!
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 12:58am Sat 22 Mar 08
Do they have a test for fluoride poisoning?
Do they have a test for fluoride poisoning?
Posted by: donna-anne salad, Wayne and Garth Park on 11:24am Sat 22 Mar 08
Yo Yo Yo Yo
Big Up the Biccy Massive, nuff respec. Givin it love on the ones and twos
Yo Yo Yo Yo
Big Up the Biccy Massive, nuff respec. Givin it love on the ones and twos
Posted by: Tommy Hooper, Cowley on 11:29am Sat 22 Mar 08
Cool, night out in Bigsister next weekend
Cool, night out in Bigsister next weekend
Posted by: alan page on 12:15pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Well each to their own. Some get their kicks from drugs, some from looking at pictures of kids being raped.
Who are we to judge?
Both druggies and paedos believe they are doing nothing wrong,both arm and support criminal gangs.
Both see themselves as unfair victims of selective laws.
"Yeah, why can't I get smacked to the tits on Coke when more people die from smoking per week?"
"Yeah, I can quite legally subscribe to websites which feature people playing out and feeding rape and incest fantasies because the people involved are over 18, but download a professionally picture of a naked 9 year old and I get the police banging on my door. Its hypocritical and unfair."
Funny old world, eh? God if these people had brains they'd be dangerous.
Well each to their own. Some get their kicks from drugs, some from looking at pictures of kids being raped.
Who are we to judge?
Both druggies and paedos believe they are doing nothing wrong,both arm and support criminal gangs.
Both see themselves as unfair victims of selective laws.
"Yeah, why can't I get smacked to the tits on Coke when more people die from smoking per week?"
"Yeah, I can quite legally subscribe to websites which feature people playing out and feeding rape and incest fantasies because the people involved are over 18, but download a professionally picture of a naked 9 year old and I get the police banging on my door. Its hypocritical and unfair."
Funny old world, eh? God if these people had brains they'd be dangerous.
Posted by: alan page on 12:38pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]DanOxford[/bold] wrote:
So what? Is Bicester suffering any [bold]REAL[/bold] effects from this widespread drug use? Like an increase in burglary, violence, public order offences? Or are people simply snortinga line, returning to their pint and talking b*llocks in an over- excited way for 20 minutes? TVP obviously have some shiny new drug testing kits they can\'t wait to harrass people with. Stop wasting time like some over- zealous Public School prefect and deal with what [bold]REALLY[/bold] concerns people- [bold]REAL[/bold] crime with [bold]REAL[/bold] impacts on [bold]REAL[/bold] people.[/quote] Or becoming an addict and spending all their income on drugs instead of feeding their families.
You really are a vacuous, stupid, naive immature little prat aren't you?
Why don't you actually stop shooting your vacuous pig ignorant junkie mouth off for a second and listen to people who's families have been devastated by drugs.
Children having to grow up with addicts for parents. Of course the profound wisdom of DanOxford is that they should "get over themselves".
But this is the same DanOxford who believes Sharia law is going to be imposed in 3 hours time.
The same DanOxford who considers REAL crime to be one of his female friends being propositioned by some blokes.Or somebody having the whole of TVP called out because one of his mates has mislaid his wallet.
The same DanOxford would probably legalise child **** if there was proven to be a good return on it. After all the victims and their families could simply
"get over it" as well.
I reckon DanOxford is probably in his early twenties. His stupidity, naivety and arrogance all points to that.
He clearly has only just left home from the sounds of the people surrounding
him.
I think DanOxford has some serious growing up to do!!
His reliance on lazy statistics rather than considering the effects on individuals or groups affected by an individuals self centred choice to blow up Columbians is also another sign.
DanOxford wrote:
So what? Is Bicester suffering any REAL effects from this widespread drug use? Like an increase in burglary, violence, public order offences? Or are people simply snortinga line, returning to their pint and talking b*llocks in an over- excited way for 20 minutes? TVP obviously have some shiny new drug testing kits they can\'t wait to harrass people with. Stop wasting time like some over- zealous Public School prefect and deal with what REALLY concerns people- REAL crime with REAL impacts on REAL people.
Or becoming an addict and spending all their income on drugs instead of feeding their families.
You really are a vacuous, stupid, naive immature little prat aren't you?
Why don't you actually stop shooting your vacuous pig ignorant junkie mouth off for a second and listen to people who's families have been devastated by drugs.
Children having to grow up with addicts for parents. Of course the profound wisdom of DanOxford is that they should "get over themselves".
But this is the same DanOxford who believes Sharia law is going to be imposed in 3 hours time.
The same DanOxford who considers REAL crime to be one of his female friends being propositioned by some blokes.Or somebody having the whole of TVP called out because one of his mates has mislaid his wallet.
The same DanOxford would probably legalise child **** if there was proven to be a good return on it. After all the victims and their families could simply
"get over it" as well.
I reckon DanOxford is probably in his early twenties. His stupidity, naivety and arrogance all points to that.
He clearly has only just left home from the sounds of the people surrounding
him.
I think DanOxford has some serious growing up to do!!
His reliance on lazy statistics rather than considering the effects on individuals or groups affected by an individuals self centred choice to blow up Columbians is also another sign.
Posted by: Big up alan page on 4:16pm Sat 22 Mar 08
DanOxford just got utterly destroyed by Alan Page....he should be ashamed
DanOxford just got utterly destroyed by Alan Page....he should be ashamed
Posted by: DanOxford on 4:58pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Alan- I'm not going to bother countering your usual ranting nonsense, but I'm sure I'm not the only person worried about your constant references to abusing children- you mention the topic virtually every post, regardless of what the story is about. I can only assume you're a very, very sick person.
And please note I have made a formal complaint to the Oxford Mail about you continuing to libel me.
I assume your persistent (and baseless) accusations of me (and others) being a 'junkie' is misplaced and due to your own family f8ck ups with drugs.
Go and see a therapist and stop transferring your child abuse fixated psychological problems onto this website- you don't even live in Oxford.
Alan- I'm not going to bother countering your usual ranting nonsense, but I'm sure I'm not the only person worried about your constant references to abusing children- you mention the topic virtually every post, regardless of what the story is about. I can only assume you're a very, very sick person.
And please note I have made a formal complaint to the Oxford Mail about you continuing to libel me.
I assume your persistent (and baseless) accusations of me (and others) being a 'junkie' is misplaced and due to your own family f8ck ups with drugs.
Go and see a therapist and stop transferring your child abuse fixated psychological problems onto this website- you don't even live in Oxford.
Posted by: Alan Page, on the therapist couch on 5:07pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]DanOxford[/bold] wrote:
Alan- I'm not going to bother countering your usual ranting nonsense, but I'm sure I'm not the only person worried about your constant references to abusing children- you mention the topic virtually every post, regardless of what the story is about. I can only assume you're a very, very sick person.
And please note I have made a formal complaint to the Oxford Mail about you continuing to libel me.
I assume your persistent (and baseless) accusations of me (and others) being a 'junkie' is misplaced and due to your own family f8ck ups with drugs.
Go and see a therapist and stop transferring your child abuse fixated psychological problems onto this website- you don't even live in Oxford.[/quote] Mummy I'm scared
DanOxford wrote:
Alan- I'm not going to bother countering your usual ranting nonsense, but I'm sure I'm not the only person worried about your constant references to abusing children- you mention the topic virtually every post, regardless of what the story is about. I can only assume you're a very, very sick person.
And please note I have made a formal complaint to the Oxford Mail about you continuing to libel me.
I assume your persistent (and baseless) accusations of me (and others) being a 'junkie' is misplaced and due to your own family f8ck ups with drugs.
Go and see a therapist and stop transferring your child abuse fixated psychological problems onto this website- you don't even live in Oxford.
Mummy I'm scared
Posted by: DanOxford on 5:10pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Alan Page ranted on:
[italic]The same DanOxford who considers REAL crime to be one of his female friends being propositioned by some blokes.[/italic]
So all you women out there- according to Alan, it's not a serious matter if you're walking home in East Oxford and some stranger offers you money for sex.
[italic].Or somebody having the whole of TVP called out because one of his mates has mislaid his wallet.[/italic]
Alan now trivialises burglary, which most victims feel is a traumatic invasion of their personal space.
[italic]The same DanOxford would probably legalise child **** if there was proven to be a good return on it.
[/italic]
Now- let me check the story- oh it was about drug tests, but once again alan has hijacked it to work himself into a sweaty frenzy over having sex with children(again).
Having failed to come up with any relevant or insightful comments, Alan simply makes up completely fabricated versions of perfectly clear points I've made in the past, bleats on about people doinga few lines in a pub is more worthy of Police time than women sexually harrassed and intruders breaking into a home; and finally rounds off with trying to transfer his own fixation on child abuse onto me.
Oh well- I suppose we have Care in the Community to thank for all this...
Alan Page ranted on:
The same DanOxford who considers REAL crime to be one of his female friends being propositioned by some blokes.
So all you women out there- according to Alan, it's not a serious matter if you're walking home in East Oxford and some stranger offers you money for sex.
.Or somebody having the whole of TVP called out because one of his mates has mislaid his wallet.
Alan now trivialises burglary, which most victims feel is a traumatic invasion of their personal space.
The same DanOxford would probably legalise child **** if there was proven to be a good return on it.
Now- let me check the story- oh it was about drug tests, but once again alan has hijacked it to work himself into a sweaty frenzy over having sex with children(again).
Having failed to come up with any relevant or insightful comments, Alan simply makes up completely fabricated versions of perfectly clear points I've made in the past, bleats on about people doinga few lines in a pub is more worthy of Police time than women sexually harrassed and intruders breaking into a home; and finally rounds off with trying to transfer his own fixation on child abuse onto me.
Oh well- I suppose we have Care in the Community to thank for all this...
Posted by: donna-anne salad, choccy delight on 5:10pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Typical, the boys are fighting again, while were left to snort up the problems. I mean sort out the problems (been in bisester too long)
Typical, the boys are fighting again, while were left to snort up the problems. I mean sort out the problems (been in bisester too long)
Posted by: poppy, iffley road on 5:12pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Wonder what Alan Pages real name is. Have a feeling he lives in Rose Hill and his name is ............ ? and he is a dirty old git
Wonder what Alan Pages real name is. Have a feeling he lives in Rose Hill and his name is ............ ? and he is a dirty old git
Posted by: Big up DanOxford on 5:15pm Sat 22 Mar 08
alan page just got utterly destroyed by DanOxford....he should be ashamed the cockknocker
alan page just got utterly destroyed by DanOxford....he should be ashamed the cockknocker
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 5:28pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Fartknocker Page needs a checkup from the neckup.
Fartknocker Page needs a checkup from the neckup.
Posted by: andrew, oxford on 8:07pm Sat 22 Mar 08
would not be surprised to find out alan and dan are one in the same person,and he/they think they are being interesting, but i for one are tired of the bickering and do not read their comments anymore.
would not be surprised to find out alan and dan are one in the same person,and he/they think they are being interesting, but i for one are tired of the bickering and do not read their comments anymore.
Posted by: Marra Arner Silver Skin Aunt Fannys Sibling, Page St Snortintown Oxford on 8:32pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Well done Poppy. Exposing A DIRTY OLD GIT.Well done Dan reporting Sexual Fixations of MINORS.Back to the drug testing.....for every swab the plod takes at the pubs, twenty odd houses get burgled,30 0dd street crimes of muggings, theft,stealing of cars happen every fxxxxxg night.And mugs out there justify pubs and clubs to be targeted.
Well done Poppy. Exposing A DIRTY OLD GIT.Well done Dan reporting Sexual Fixations of MINORS.Back to the drug testing.....for every swab the plod takes at the pubs, twenty odd houses get burgled,30 0dd street crimes of muggings, theft,stealing of cars happen every fxxxxxg night.And mugs out there justify pubs and clubs to be targeted.
Posted by: elle, not in a pub or club on 9:34pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Well Aunt Fannys sibling- It would be very interesting to know whether you have ever had your drink spiked and thought you were going to die, Thought not.
Well done TVP- keep up the good work!!
Well Aunt Fannys sibling- It would be very interesting to know whether you have ever had your drink spiked and thought you were going to die, Thought not.
Well done TVP- keep up the good work!!
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 11:07pm Sat 22 Mar 08
I am guessing that in Republicon speak Mr Page is one of those Persons of Interest.
I am guessing that in Republicon speak Mr Page is one of those Persons of Interest.
Posted by: elle, oxford on 11:52pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mr Ison[/bold] wrote:
I am guessing that in Republicon speak Mr Page is one of those Persons of Interest.[/quote] What the f##k are you talking about? Please elaborate.
Mr Ison wrote:
I am guessing that in Republicon speak Mr Page is one of those Persons of Interest.
What the f##k are you talking about? Please elaborate.
Posted by: alan page on 12:24am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]DanOxford[/bold] wrote:
Alan Page ranted on: [italic]The same DanOxford who considers REAL crime to be one of his female friends being propositioned by some blokes.[/italic] So all you women out there- according to Alan, it\'s not a serious matter if you\'re walking home in East Oxford and some stranger offers you money for sex. [italic].Or somebody having the whole of TVP called out because one of his mates has mislaid his wallet.[/italic] Alan now trivialises burglary, which most victims feel is a traumatic invasion of their personal space. [italic]The same DanOxford would probably legalise child **** if there was proven to be a good return on it. [/italic] Now- let me check the story- oh it was about drug tests, but once again alan has hijacked it to work himself into a sweaty frenzy over having sex with children(again). Having failed to come up with any relevant or insightful comments, Alan simply makes up completely fabricated versions of perfectly clear points I\'ve made in the past, bleats on about people doinga few lines in a pub is more worthy of Police time than women sexually harrassed and intruders breaking into a home; and finally rounds off with trying to transfer his own fixation on child abuse onto me. Oh well- I suppose we have Care in the Community to thank for all this... [/quote] Anybody who walks through a red light district in the middle of the night should expect that kind of thing.I assume she knew the area well enough to avoid it.
Now Dan tell us if the boys in blue did turn up what would she say?
"I was walking in an unofficial red light
district and some guy offered me money for sex."
"Really? Do you have any evidence to back up the assertion? Like a recording or video evidence?"
"Er..no but it happened officer, and I'm really upset."
"Well did you get a registration number?"
"He wasnt in a car."
"So, lets just recap, some guy offered you money for sex in a red light district, it upset you, so you gave us a call. You have no evidence to support your assertion this took place. Well that's a really solid case we've got there isnt it? Crown court material that. Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't have the bloke up in the Old Bailey for that. Hey, some pensioner accross the other side of town had all her life savings stolen to fund some drugs habit or other and I am standing here listening to this crap."
I am really enjoying this it shows just how naive you are.
I think it would be cruel of me to respond to any more of your post as I can't stop laughing long enough to even try.
DanOxford wrote:
Alan Page ranted on: The same DanOxford who considers REAL crime to be one of his female friends being propositioned by some blokes. So all you women out there- according to Alan, it\'s not a serious matter if you\'re walking home in East Oxford and some stranger offers you money for sex. .Or somebody having the whole of TVP called out because one of his mates has mislaid his wallet. Alan now trivialises burglary, which most victims feel is a traumatic invasion of their personal space. The same DanOxford would probably legalise child **** if there was proven to be a good return on it. Now- let me check the story- oh it was about drug tests, but once again alan has hijacked it to work himself into a sweaty frenzy over having sex with children(again). Having failed to come up with any relevant or insightful comments, Alan simply makes up completely fabricated versions of perfectly clear points I\'ve made in the past, bleats on about people doinga few lines in a pub is more worthy of Police time than women sexually harrassed and intruders breaking into a home; and finally rounds off with trying to transfer his own fixation on child abuse onto me. Oh well- I suppose we have Care in the Community to thank for all this...
Anybody who walks through a red light district in the middle of the night should expect that kind of thing.I assume she knew the area well enough to avoid it.
Now Dan tell us if the boys in blue did turn up what would she say?
"I was walking in an unofficial red light
district and some guy offered me money for sex."
"Really? Do you have any evidence to back up the assertion? Like a recording or video evidence?"
"Er..no but it happened officer, and I'm really upset."
"Well did you get a registration number?"
"He wasnt in a car."
"So, lets just recap, some guy offered you money for sex in a red light district, it upset you, so you gave us a call. You have no evidence to support your assertion this took place. Well that's a really solid case we've got there isnt it? Crown court material that. Wouldn't be surprised if we didn't have the bloke up in the Old Bailey for that. Hey, some pensioner accross the other side of town had all her life savings stolen to fund some drugs habit or other and I am standing here listening to this crap."
I am really enjoying this it shows just how naive you are.
I think it would be cruel of me to respond to any more of your post as I can't stop laughing long enough to even try.
Posted by: alan page on 12:33am Sun 23 Mar 08
And he's gone running to the authorities as well!!! So much for freedom, eh Dan?
I'm sure that your advocacy of criminal behaviour will stand you in good stead, Daniel old boy.
It gets better and better!!!
I reckon mummy and daddy really spoilt him. Hissy fit time!!!
What an utterly vacuous waste of breath he is. Pompous with it as well.
"Do you know who I am?"
I think he has now lost every argument he has ever made. (Including those about all Moslems being primitive, Sharia obssessed fanatics.)
Sorry I am laughing so much now I shall probably need a glass of water.
I wonder if he's celebrating Easter? It would make me laugh even more for such an atheist to be taking time off to support a myth!!
Still its good to see the usual gang of confused druggies out in force.
And he's gone running to the authorities as well!!! So much for freedom, eh Dan?
I'm sure that your advocacy of criminal behaviour will stand you in good stead, Daniel old boy.
It gets better and better!!!
I reckon mummy and daddy really spoilt him. Hissy fit time!!!
What an utterly vacuous waste of breath he is. Pompous with it as well.
"Do you know who I am?"
I think he has now lost every argument he has ever made. (Including those about all Moslems being primitive, Sharia obssessed fanatics.)
Sorry I am laughing so much now I shall probably need a glass of water.
I wonder if he's celebrating Easter? It would make me laugh even more for such an atheist to be taking time off to support a myth!!
Still its good to see the usual gang of confused druggies out in force.
Posted by: alan page on 12:49am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Marra Arner Silver Skin Aunt Fannys Sibling[/bold] wrote:
Well done Poppy. Exposing A DIRTY OLD GIT.Well done Dan reporting Sexual Fixations of MINORS.Back to the drug testing.....for every swab the plod takes at the pubs, twenty odd houses get burgled,30 0dd street crimes of muggings, theft,stealing of cars happen every fxxxxxg night.And mugs out there justify pubs and clubs to be targeted.[/quote] I do find these infantile fantasies about me very amusing.
It is pretty clear that my basic points are lost on you.
I oppose both drugs and child ****.
Arguments have been made to lessen the legal process regarding both.
Same arguments actually. There is not one single argument that druggies put forward for their habit that wasn't made by Kinsey about legalising consensual paedophilia and merely criminalising any form of violence and coercion.
It shows where your kind of confused thinking leads to.
Er... pubs and clubs being targeted?? Now why should that be??
Errrr.. "Recreational"
drugs possibly? Meaning they are abused and disseminated in recreational places.
Perhaps if fewer people listened to the crap you and your glowstick waving freaks keep spouting, people would not get involved with drugs in the first place, people would not become addicts, people would not commit crime to fund addictions, clubs would not be raided.
Simple really, though I suppose your chemically drenched brain would fail to see that.
You CHOOSE to break the law for selfish reasons. You get banged up for it. Get over yourself you pathetic irresponsible individual.
Marra Arner Silver Skin Aunt Fannys Sibling wrote:
Well done Poppy. Exposing A DIRTY OLD GIT.Well done Dan reporting Sexual Fixations of MINORS.Back to the drug testing.....for every swab the plod takes at the pubs, twenty odd houses get burgled,30 0dd street crimes of muggings, theft,stealing of cars happen every fxxxxxg night.And mugs out there justify pubs and clubs to be targeted.
I do find these infantile fantasies about me very amusing.
It is pretty clear that my basic points are lost on you.
I oppose both drugs and child ****.
Arguments have been made to lessen the legal process regarding both.
Same arguments actually. There is not one single argument that druggies put forward for their habit that wasn't made by Kinsey about legalising consensual paedophilia and merely criminalising any form of violence and coercion.
It shows where your kind of confused thinking leads to.
Er... pubs and clubs being targeted?? Now why should that be??
Errrr.. "Recreational"
drugs possibly? Meaning they are abused and disseminated in recreational places.
Perhaps if fewer people listened to the crap you and your glowstick waving freaks keep spouting, people would not get involved with drugs in the first place, people would not become addicts, people would not commit crime to fund addictions, clubs would not be raided.
Simple really, though I suppose your chemically drenched brain would fail to see that.
You CHOOSE to break the law for selfish reasons. You get banged up for it. Get over yourself you pathetic irresponsible individual.
Posted by: alan page on 1:00am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]andrew[/bold] wrote:
would not be surprised to find out alan and dan are one in the same person,and he/they think they are being interesting, but i for one are tired of the bickering and do not read their comments anymore. [/quote] No we are two totally different individuals.
Sorry to dissapoint you. I thought it would be rather obvious by now.
I am the one who isnt paranoid about Islam.
andrew wrote:
would not be surprised to find out alan and dan are one in the same person,and he/they think they are being interesting, but i for one are tired of the bickering and do not read their comments anymore.
No we are two totally different individuals.
Sorry to dissapoint you. I thought it would be rather obvious by now.
I am the one who isnt paranoid about Islam.
Posted by: Charlie Schnortz, Australia on 2:39am Sun 23 Mar 08
I'm gonna lick every flay surface in every public toilet in Bicester; mmmm, yumm!
I'm gonna lick every flay surface in every public toilet in Bicester; mmmm, yumm!
Posted by: Charlie Schnortz, Australia on 2:42am Sun 23 Mar 08
flay????? flat!
Posted by: Joe, Marston Road on 7:12am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]alan page[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]andrew[/bold] wrote: would not be surprised to find out alan and dan are one in the same person,and he/they think they are being interesting, but i for one are tired of the bickering and do not read their comments anymore. [/quote] No we are two totally different individuals. Sorry to dissapoint you. I thought it would be rather obvious by now. I am the one who isnt paranoid about Islam. [/quote] [bold]Dan[/bold] is not paranoid about Islam.
He is positively and absolutely xenophobic, full stop!
alan page wrote:
andrew wrote: would not be surprised to find out alan and dan are one in the same person,and he/they think they are being interesting, but i for one are tired of the bickering and do not read their comments anymore.
No we are two totally different individuals. Sorry to dissapoint you. I thought it would be rather obvious by now. I am the one who isnt paranoid about Islam.
Dan is not paranoid about Islam.
He is positively and absolutely xenophobic, full stop!
Posted by: alan page on 11:35am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Joe[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]alan page[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]andrew[/bold] wrote: would not be surprised to find out alan and dan are one in the same person,and he/they think they are being interesting, but i for one are tired of the bickering and do not read their comments anymore. [/quote] No we are two totally different individuals. Sorry to dissapoint you. I thought it would be rather obvious by now. I am the one who isnt paranoid about Islam. [/quote] [bold]Dan[/bold] is not paranoid about Islam. He is positively and absolutely xenophobic, full stop![/quote] Oh dear, somebody else is going to get in trouble for daring to "libel" (ie state the bloody obvious about) the main man.
I'm sorry but some who argues that laissaiz faire attitudes to drug abuse are the sensible option really has no defense when whining about burglary.
If you want to be soft with junkies then you should be prepared to reap what you sow. A friend of mine was once taken in by one toerag she met in a pub who was whining about being kicked out. She put him up for the night and came home the next day to find all her valuables gone.
The police eventually caught up with him. But then his dealer came round her place and kicked the door in for her being a "grass".
This is the kind of world Dan and his vacuously degenerate "oh what's a few lines in a pub" right wing morons promote and support and then dare to lecture the rest of us about.
Joe wrote:
alan page wrote: andrew wrote: would not be surprised to find out alan and dan are one in the same person,and he/they think they are being interesting, but i for one are tired of the bickering and do not read their comments anymore.
No we are two totally different individuals. Sorry to dissapoint you. I thought it would be rather obvious by now. I am the one who isnt paranoid about Islam.
Dan is not paranoid about Islam. He is positively and absolutely xenophobic, full stop!
Oh dear, somebody else is going to get in trouble for daring to "libel" (ie state the bloody obvious about) the main man.
I'm sorry but some who argues that laissaiz faire attitudes to drug abuse are the sensible option really has no defense when whining about burglary.
If you want to be soft with junkies then you should be prepared to reap what you sow. A friend of mine was once taken in by one toerag she met in a pub who was whining about being kicked out. She put him up for the night and came home the next day to find all her valuables gone.
The police eventually caught up with him. But then his dealer came round her place and kicked the door in for her being a "grass".
This is the kind of world Dan and his vacuously degenerate "oh what's a few lines in a pub" right wing morons promote and support and then dare to lecture the rest of us about.
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 11:42am Sun 23 Mar 08
New Labour New Danger Page is still trying his best to sex it up but his third way muscling in is repetedly rejected.
New Labour New Danger Page is still trying his best to sex it up but his third way muscling in is repetedly rejected.
Posted by: alan page on 2:18pm Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Mr Ison[/bold] wrote:
New Labour New Danger Page is still trying his best to sex it up but his third way muscling in is repetedly rejected.[/quote] Er... I don't atually support the Blair brigade.
Havent done since Iraq.
Obviously the result of some latent Jew/Moslem coalition to bring down the civilised world.
Sure you have the deatils.
Mr Ison wrote:
New Labour New Danger Page is still trying his best to sex it up but his third way muscling in is repetedly rejected.
Er... I don't atually support the Blair brigade.
Havent done since Iraq.
Obviously the result of some latent Jew/Moslem coalition to bring down the civilised world.
Sure you have the deatils.
Posted by: Tom Cramner, Oxford on 9:21pm Sun 23 Mar 08
"Anybody who walks through a red light district in the middle of the night should expect that kind of thing.I assume she knew the area well enough to avoid it."
Where's the red light district in Oxford Alan? Prostitutes gather in an area of about a square mile in East Oxford, home to around 10,000 people, with bars, restaurants and shops. Should women not walk anywhere alone Alan? I do not feel that drug use is acceptable, but I do feel that police resources should be used more on patrols in areas that need them rather than targeting recreational drug use in bars. Drugs have been and always will be used in pubs and clubs and it should be a matter for the licensee and security staff to monitor the situation, and, most of the time, report dealers to the police, holding them if necessary. Then the police can maintain a high visibility deterrent elsewhere.
"Anybody who walks through a red light district in the middle of the night should expect that kind of thing.I assume she knew the area well enough to avoid it."
Where's the red light district in Oxford Alan? Prostitutes gather in an area of about a square mile in East Oxford, home to around 10,000 people, with bars, restaurants and shops. Should women not walk anywhere alone Alan? I do not feel that drug use is acceptable, but I do feel that police resources should be used more on patrols in areas that need them rather than targeting recreational drug use in bars. Drugs have been and always will be used in pubs and clubs and it should be a matter for the licensee and security staff to monitor the situation, and, most of the time, report dealers to the police, holding them if necessary. Then the police can maintain a high visibility deterrent elsewhere.
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 11:17pm Sun 23 Mar 08
Is a multifaceted protection racket establishing itself in Oxford or has it been that way for some timenow?
Is a multifaceted protection racket establishing itself in Oxford or has it been that way for some timenow?
Posted by: alan page on 12:21am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Tom Cramner[/bold] wrote:
"Anybody who walks through a red light district in the middle of the night should expect that kind of thing.I assume she knew the area well enough to avoid it." Where's the red light district in Oxford Alan? Prostitutes gather in an area of about a square mile in East Oxford, home to around 10,000 people, with bars, restaurants and shops. Should women not walk anywhere alone Alan? I do not feel that drug use is acceptable, but I do feel that police resources should be used more on patrols in areas that need them rather than targeting recreational drug use in bars. Drugs have been and always will be used in pubs and clubs and it should be a matter for the licensee and security staff to monitor the situation, and, most of the time, report dealers to the police, holding them if necessary. Then the police can maintain a high visibility deterrent elsewhere.[/quote] I think asking women to walk in groups late at night is a very good idea myself.
Even prostitutes ae advised to work within eye sight of each other.
The Cowley road is notorious as an unofficial red light district. To walk alone through that area at night is going to send out certain messages.
Have you actually worked behind a bar? Especially at weekends? Do you actually realise how ludicrously unrealistic your "hold the landlord reponsible" attitude actually is?
These substances are ILLEGAL. It doesn't matter whether they are used at home or publicly.
The POLICE have a duty
to ensure that they are not spread around in clubs and pubs.
You really think some yardie gangster or other is going to listen to some landlord? You really believe that a landlord who values his life and his families is going to want to even deal with such scum as junkies drag around with them.
I believe it IS the job of the POLICE to support the liscencees in ensuring these criminal funding scum are shown the door.
It seems pretty high on quite a few agendas as well.People don't like seeing members of their families involved with this crap. It is the police and the community in general's to ensure they don't.
Tom Cramner wrote:
"Anybody who walks through a red light district in the middle of the night should expect that kind of thing.I assume she knew the area well enough to avoid it." Where's the red light district in Oxford Alan? Prostitutes gather in an area of about a square mile in East Oxford, home to around 10,000 people, with bars, restaurants and shops. Should women not walk anywhere alone Alan? I do not feel that drug use is acceptable, but I do feel that police resources should be used more on patrols in areas that need them rather than targeting recreational drug use in bars. Drugs have been and always will be used in pubs and clubs and it should be a matter for the licensee and security staff to monitor the situation, and, most of the time, report dealers to the police, holding them if necessary. Then the police can maintain a high visibility deterrent elsewhere.
I think asking women to walk in groups late at night is a very good idea myself.
Even prostitutes ae advised to work within eye sight of each other.
The Cowley road is notorious as an unofficial red light district. To walk alone through that area at night is going to send out certain messages.
Have you actually worked behind a bar? Especially at weekends? Do you actually realise how ludicrously unrealistic your "hold the landlord reponsible" attitude actually is?
These substances are ILLEGAL. It doesn't matter whether they are used at home or publicly.
The POLICE have a duty
to ensure that they are not spread around in clubs and pubs.
You really think some yardie gangster or other is going to listen to some landlord? You really believe that a landlord who values his life and his families is going to want to even deal with such scum as junkies drag around with them.
I believe it IS the job of the POLICE to support the liscencees in ensuring these criminal funding scum are shown the door.
It seems pretty high on quite a few agendas as well.People don't like seeing members of their families involved with this crap. It is the police and the community in general's to ensure they don't.
Posted by: DanOxford on 12:40am Mon 24 Mar 08
The reason I bother contributing anything to this site is that if I didn't, the media would be dominated by the likes of Alan and Joe who consistently fail to understand any legitimate points raised, so blinded are they by their own redundant left- wing agendas.
Lacking any real rational basis from which to respond, both go down the same old tired route of simplifying everything into a black and white Universe where anyone who disagrees with their failed quasi- liberal (but still overtly facist) views is simply screeched down as a 'racist'.
For the record, yes, I am totally opposed to Islam. And Scientology, and Evangelical Christianity- in fact- anyone with a totally unsubstantiated, exclusive, mysoginistic, intolerant set of beliefs which imposes utterly irrational 'rules' on it's adherents while denouncing those who do not succumb as somehow morally inferior.
To this end, I will vigorously oppose any attempt by the followers of these beliefs to forcibly or subversively impose their views on anyone else- be it an unnecessary call to prayer or the head teacher of a Rose Hill school unilaterally deciding to feed children exclusively Halal meat.
I am also opposed to NuLabour lying to the electorate by promising us a referendum on Europe- the UK signed up to trade agreement, not to surrender control over our borders so that we can do nothing but wring our hands when 800,000 arrive from Eastern Europe when teh government predicted 13,000. That's not democracy- if the majority of people in the UK are happy about this situation fair enough- but they aren't, the government knows this, so won't give the people a say, despite immigration running at the highest levels EVER in this Country.
My problem with mass immigration is not the Poles, Bangladeshis, Australians or whoever else- its the fact that we have our own poorly- educated, work shy underclass with no incentive to do anything but have feral children, as their benefits increase for every child they have. These families cause most of the problems in schools, in society and in prisons. Get these people off benefits and into something productive before importing vast numbers of foreign workers.
Still- Alan will continue to sneer at Oxford's residents; will continue his narcissistic rants about how only 'he' has any life experience; how only 'he' should decide what people should be allowed to hear/ see/ read/ drink/ smoke; how only 'he' is clever and well- read; and will continue to work himself to a sweaty climax over repeating the words 'wog', 'junkie', 'child p*rn' and 'bourgeos' to an audience of people he despises in a city he has left.
His contempt for everyone and anyone shows every time he arrogantly derides normal people in Oxford- I think his blaming of a young female simply walking home for being sexually propositioned by virtue of the fact she lived in a residential area of East Oxford typifies his self- obsession and disregard for anyone else.
Unlike Alan, I don't purport to have the 'only' view- I simply state my own and anyone's free to challenge it (as opposed to simply libelling me as Alan does with his screeches of 'Racist!' 'Junkie! 'Criminal!' etc) so hands up- who feels that the Police should be testing toilet seats in pubs and who thinks they should be doing something burglary and about men approaching women for sex yards from their front door? Obviosuly Alan's derision (as this was the original story) would seem to indicate that suggesting the Police priorities in Oxford are wrong must be a minority view held only by myself- so come on- how many for 'clamping down' on drug users not otherwise causing any problems; and how many for burglary and sexual harrassment?
Lucidly challenging a view with clear, well-made counter points is clearly beyond Alan so he continues to go off on some anecdotal nonsense about how a member of his family met someone who did X therefore anyone who does X is like that. Alan's view of drug users as 'Junkies' is utter nonsense- a friend of mine who worked at a methadone clinic said sure, you get the cases who live in a bedsit and sold the lightbulb for a fix; but you also got professionals in hand made suits turning up in Mercs. Still- it's just so much easier to divide the world into racists/ junkies/ etc isn't it? No real need to look at the real complexities then.
Such is the simplistic and ultimately rather sad world of Alan Page.
The reason I bother contributing anything to this site is that if I didn't, the media would be dominated by the likes of Alan and Joe who consistently fail to understand any legitimate points raised, so blinded are they by their own redundant left- wing agendas.
Lacking any real rational basis from which to respond, both go down the same old tired route of simplifying everything into a black and white Universe where anyone who disagrees with their failed quasi- liberal (but still overtly facist) views is simply screeched down as a 'racist'.
For the record, yes, I am totally opposed to Islam. And Scientology, and Evangelical Christianity- in fact- anyone with a totally unsubstantiated, exclusive, mysoginistic, intolerant set of beliefs which imposes utterly irrational 'rules' on it's adherents while denouncing those who do not succumb as somehow morally inferior.
To this end, I will vigorously oppose any attempt by the followers of these beliefs to forcibly or subversively impose their views on anyone else- be it an unnecessary call to prayer or the head teacher of a Rose Hill school unilaterally deciding to feed children exclusively Halal meat.
I am also opposed to NuLabour lying to the electorate by promising us a referendum on Europe- the UK signed up to trade agreement, not to surrender control over our borders so that we can do nothing but wring our hands when 800,000 arrive from Eastern Europe when teh government predicted 13,000. That's not democracy- if the majority of people in the UK are happy about this situation fair enough- but they aren't, the government knows this, so won't give the people a say, despite immigration running at the highest levels EVER in this Country.
My problem with mass immigration is not the Poles, Bangladeshis, Australians or whoever else- its the fact that we have our own poorly- educated, work shy underclass with no incentive to do anything but have feral children, as their benefits increase for every child they have. These families cause most of the problems in schools, in society and in prisons. Get these people off benefits and into something productive before importing vast numbers of foreign workers.
Still- Alan will continue to sneer at Oxford's residents; will continue his narcissistic rants about how only 'he' has any life experience; how only 'he' should decide what people should be allowed to hear/ see/ read/ drink/ smoke; how only 'he' is clever and well- read; and will continue to work himself to a sweaty climax over repeating the words 'wog', 'junkie', 'child p*rn' and 'bourgeos' to an audience of people he despises in a city he has left.
His contempt for everyone and anyone shows every time he arrogantly derides normal people in Oxford- I think his blaming of a young female simply walking home for being sexually propositioned by virtue of the fact she lived in a residential area of East Oxford typifies his self- obsession and disregard for anyone else.
Unlike Alan, I don't purport to have the 'only' view- I simply state my own and anyone's free to challenge it (as opposed to simply libelling me as Alan does with his screeches of 'Racist!' 'Junkie! 'Criminal!' etc) so hands up- who feels that the Police should be testing toilet seats in pubs and who thinks they should be doing something burglary and about men approaching women for sex yards from their front door? Obviosuly Alan's derision (as this was the original story) would seem to indicate that suggesting the Police priorities in Oxford are wrong must be a minority view held only by myself- so come on- how many for 'clamping down' on drug users not otherwise causing any problems; and how many for burglary and sexual harrassment?
Lucidly challenging a view with clear, well-made counter points is clearly beyond Alan so he continues to go off on some anecdotal nonsense about how a member of his family met someone who did X therefore anyone who does X is like that. Alan's view of drug users as 'Junkies' is utter nonsense- a friend of mine who worked at a methadone clinic said sure, you get the cases who live in a bedsit and sold the lightbulb for a fix; but you also got professionals in hand made suits turning up in Mercs. Still- it's just so much easier to divide the world into racists/ junkies/ etc isn't it? No real need to look at the real complexities then.
Such is the simplistic and ultimately rather sad world of Alan Page.
Posted by: DanOxford on 12:46am Mon 24 Mar 08
Alan Page wrote:
[italic]To walk alone through that area at night is going to send out certain messages.[/italic]
I think she was wearing a skirt too Alan- obviously just asking to be raped eh?
The Police estimate that about half a dozen prostitutes work in that (mainly student/ Asian) area and have received many, many compliants from local women who live there who have been propositioned in broad daylight; of children finding used condoms and of arguments with punters- complainst they could be doing more about if they weren't swabbing toilets in pubs for a bit of charlie.
Still- I'm sure children playing football in an area known to be used by prostitutes for sex sends out a certain message doesn't it Alan?
Alan Page wrote:
To walk alone through that area at night is going to send out certain messages.
I think she was wearing a skirt too Alan- obviously just asking to be raped eh?
The Police estimate that about half a dozen prostitutes work in that (mainly student/ Asian) area and have received many, many compliants from local women who live there who have been propositioned in broad daylight; of children finding used condoms and of arguments with punters- complainst they could be doing more about if they weren't swabbing toilets in pubs for a bit of charlie.
Still- I'm sure children playing football in an area known to be used by prostitutes for sex sends out a certain message doesn't it Alan?
Posted by: alan page on 11:57am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]DanOxford[/bold] wrote:
The reason I bother contributing anything to this site is that if I didn\'t, the media would be dominated by the likes of Alan and Joe who consistently fail to understand any legitimate points raised, so blinded are they by their own redundant left- wing agendas. Lacking any real rational basis from which to respond, both go down the same old tired route of simplifying everything into a black and white Universe where anyone who disagrees with their failed quasi- liberal (but still overtly facist) views is simply screeched down as a \'racist\'. For the record, yes, I am totally opposed to Islam. And Scientology, and Evangelical Christianity- in fact- anyone with a totally unsubstantiated, exclusive, mysoginistic, intolerant set of beliefs which imposes utterly irrational \'rules\' on it\'s adherents while denouncing those who do not succumb as somehow morally inferior. To this end, I will vigorously oppose any attempt by the followers of these beliefs to forcibly or subversively impose their views on anyone else- be it an unnecessary call to prayer or the head teacher of a Rose Hill school unilaterally deciding to feed children exclusively Halal meat. I am also opposed to NuLabour lying to the electorate by promising us a referendum on Europe- the UK signed up to trade agreement, not to surrender control over our borders so that we can do nothing but wring our hands when 800,000 arrive from Eastern Europe when teh government predicted 13,000. That\'s not democracy- if the majority of people in the UK are happy about this situation fair enough- but they aren\'t, the government knows this, so won\'t give the people a say, despite immigration running at the highest levels EVER in this Country. My problem with mass immigration is not the Poles, Bangladeshis, Australians or whoever else- its the fact that we have our own poorly- educated, work shy underclass with no incentive to do anything but have feral children, as their benefits increase for every child they have. These families cause most of the problems in schools, in society and in prisons. Get these people off benefits and into something productive before importing vast numbers of foreign workers. Still- Alan will continue to sneer at Oxford\'s residents; will continue his narcissistic rants about how only \'he\' has any life experience; how only \'he\' should decide what people should be allowed to hear/ see/ read/ drink/ smoke; how only \'he\' is clever and well- read; and will continue to work himself to a sweaty climax over repeating the words \'wog\', \'junkie\', \'child p*rn\' and \'bourgeos\' to an audience of people he despises in a city he has left. His contempt for everyone and anyone shows every time he arrogantly derides normal people in Oxford- I think his blaming of a young female simply walking home for being sexually propositioned by virtue of the fact she lived in a residential area of East Oxford typifies his self- obsession and disregard for anyone else. Unlike Alan, I don\'t purport to have the \'only\' view- I simply state my own and anyone\'s free to challenge it (as opposed to simply libelling me as Alan does with his screeches of \'Racist!\' \'Junkie! \'Criminal!\' etc) so hands up- who feels that the Police should be testing toilet seats in pubs and who thinks they should be doing something burglary and about men approaching women for sex yards from their front door? Obviosuly Alan\'s derision (as this was the original story) would seem to indicate that suggesting the Police priorities in Oxford are wrong must be a minority view held only by myself- so come on- how many for \'clamping down\' on drug users not otherwise causing any problems; and how many for burglary and sexual harrassment? Lucidly challenging a view with clear, well-made counter points is clearly beyond Alan so he continues to go off on some anecdotal nonsense about how a member of his family met someone who did X therefore anyone who does X is like that. Alan\'s view of drug users as \'Junkies\' is utter nonsense- a friend of mine who worked at a methadone clinic said sure, you get the cases who live in a bedsit and sold the lightbulb for a fix; but you also got professionals in hand made suits turning up in Mercs. Still- it\'s just so much easier to divide the world into racists/ junkies/ etc isn\'t it? No real need to look at the real complexities then. Such is the simplistic and ultimately rather sad world of Alan Page.[/quote] I am so utterly hysterical by now it is impossible to type anything.
Hey, lots of men in suits blow drugs out of their arses as well, it must be ok.
13 million downloads of child **** in two years shows what else these professionals must be doing doesn't it? Though why these suited and respectable people need to visit Methadone clinics in the first place when I never have and never would need to is another question.
Let's face it if civil liberties should not extend to what people choose to blow out of their rectums then the same civil liberties should also extend to what they download on their computers in their own homes.
If it is so wrong to raid public places like pubs and clubs in search of illegal materials, then how much wronger is it to raid individual private property in pursuit of similarly illegal material of a different nature?
You either support the right of people to break the law or you do not.
In his rather lengthy "denunciation"(so much effort expended on some sad loser?)he conveniently ignores the questions I have raised on the issues indicating that he doesn't want to deal with them.
As social harm is supposedly the centre of his concerns please explain how it is that one can subscribe to websites featuring fantasy images of rape and incest (both illegal activities) and yet downloading professionally and voluntarily posed pictures of naked children lands you in court? What harm has been done in the latter scenario?
If it is harmless (as junkies claim their own habit is (LOL!!)then why is it illegal? By your own arguments Danny Boy, (not mine) there is a serious intrusion into peoples private lives going on here.
He still also hasn't got the connection between crime prevention and drugs raids has he? No drugs, no addiction, no crime. Simple really.
He also talks about how wrong it is for bodies of people to enforce their will onto others? So what about his secular humanist pals enforcing these right wing libertarian ideas on the rest of us and declaring all opposition to be "reactionary", "Commies" "sad" etc etc.
Was 24 hour drinking voted for?
What about building Supercasinos in poor areas?
Legalising drugs?
I don't remember being asked for an opinion on any of those 18th century profit generating throwbacks. So who is doing the imposing here?
Of course, as can be seen, Dan's natural inclination is to ensure the well being and comfort of his fellow bourgeois whilst the "real crimes" are committed by either "immigrants" or "chavs". Cosy little generalities that don't withstand much critical thought.
Somebody who can make broad sweeping statements about the mass production of "feral kids" etc. is really dealing with social complexity in a really methodical way. No questions being asked as to why these things happening, no attempt to see beyond the "Daily Mail" headlines. Nothing at all.
There was a programme a while ago where Alan Duncan spent a week on a Manchester Council estate and went away on a camping trip with some of these feral kids, he was appalled by.
He underwent a transformation so radical in his attitudes that it was positively religious.
He saw them as ordinary kids who had grown up in circumstances that Dan approves of (their parents were drug users etc.)and came to see that the "feral" aspect of their behaviour was superficial and that they had hearts of gold underneath.
He even revised his opinions about "do gooding leftie social workers" saying that they were doing a worthwhile job, that the situation was far more complex than he had believed. More details on his website.
So much for "sweeping generalisations" eh Dan?
DanOxford wrote:
The reason I bother contributing anything to this site is that if I didn\'t, the media would be dominated by the likes of Alan and Joe who consistently fail to understand any legitimate points raised, so blinded are they by their own redundant left- wing agendas. Lacking any real rational basis from which to respond, both go down the same old tired route of simplifying everything into a black and white Universe where anyone who disagrees with their failed quasi- liberal (but still overtly facist) views is simply screeched down as a \'racist\'. For the record, yes, I am totally opposed to Islam. And Scientology, and Evangelical Christianity- in fact- anyone with a totally unsubstantiated, exclusive, mysoginistic, intolerant set of beliefs which imposes utterly irrational \'rules\' on it\'s adherents while denouncing those who do not succumb as somehow morally inferior. To this end, I will vigorously oppose any attempt by the followers of these beliefs to forcibly or subversively impose their views on anyone else- be it an unnecessary call to prayer or the head teacher of a Rose Hill school unilaterally deciding to feed children exclusively Halal meat. I am also opposed to NuLabour lying to the electorate by promising us a referendum on Europe- the UK signed up to trade agreement, not to surrender control over our borders so that we can do nothing but wring our hands when 800,000 arrive from Eastern Europe when teh government predicted 13,000. That\'s not democracy- if the majority of people in the UK are happy about this situation fair enough- but they aren\'t, the government knows this, so won\'t give the people a say, despite immigration running at the highest levels EVER in this Country. My problem with mass immigration is not the Poles, Bangladeshis, Australians or whoever else- its the fact that we have our own poorly- educated, work shy underclass with no incentive to do anything but have feral children, as their benefits increase for every child they have. These families cause most of the problems in schools, in society and in prisons. Get these people off benefits and into something productive before importing vast numbers of foreign workers. Still- Alan will continue to sneer at Oxford\'s residents; will continue his narcissistic rants about how only \'he\' has any life experience; how only \'he\' should decide what people should be allowed to hear/ see/ read/ drink/ smoke; how only \'he\' is clever and well- read; and will continue to work himself to a sweaty climax over repeating the words \'wog\', \'junkie\', \'child p*rn\' and \'bourgeos\' to an audience of people he despises in a city he has left. His contempt for everyone and anyone shows every time he arrogantly derides normal people in Oxford- I think his blaming of a young female simply walking home for being sexually propositioned by virtue of the fact she lived in a residential area of East Oxford typifies his self- obsession and disregard for anyone else. Unlike Alan, I don\'t purport to have the \'only\' view- I simply state my own and anyone\'s free to challenge it (as opposed to simply libelling me as Alan does with his screeches of \'Racist!\' \'Junkie! \'Criminal!\' etc) so hands up- who feels that the Police should be testing toilet seats in pubs and who thinks they should be doing something burglary and about men approaching women for sex yards from their front door? Obviosuly Alan\'s derision (as this was the original story) would seem to indicate that suggesting the Police priorities in Oxford are wrong must be a minority view held only by myself- so come on- how many for \'clamping down\' on drug users not otherwise causing any problems; and how many for burglary and sexual harrassment? Lucidly challenging a view with clear, well-made counter points is clearly beyond Alan so he continues to go off on some anecdotal nonsense about how a member of his family met someone who did X therefore anyone who does X is like that. Alan\'s view of drug users as \'Junkies\' is utter nonsense- a friend of mine who worked at a methadone clinic said sure, you get the cases who live in a bedsit and sold the lightbulb for a fix; but you also got professionals in hand made suits turning up in Mercs. Still- it\'s just so much easier to divide the world into racists/ junkies/ etc isn\'t it? No real need to look at the real complexities then. Such is the simplistic and ultimately rather sad world of Alan Page.
I am so utterly hysterical by now it is impossible to type anything.
Hey, lots of men in suits blow drugs out of their arses as well, it must be ok.
13 million downloads of child **** in two years shows what else these professionals must be doing doesn't it? Though why these suited and respectable people need to visit Methadone clinics in the first place when I never have and never would need to is another question.
Let's face it if civil liberties should not extend to what people choose to blow out of their rectums then the same civil liberties should also extend to what they download on their computers in their own homes.
If it is so wrong to raid public places like pubs and clubs in search of illegal materials, then how much wronger is it to raid individual private property in pursuit of similarly illegal material of a different nature?
You either support the right of people to break the law or you do not.
In his rather lengthy "denunciation"(so much effort expended on some sad loser?)he conveniently ignores the questions I have raised on the issues indicating that he doesn't want to deal with them.
As social harm is supposedly the centre of his concerns please explain how it is that one can subscribe to websites featuring fantasy images of rape and incest (both illegal activities) and yet downloading professionally and voluntarily posed pictures of naked children lands you in court? What harm has been done in the latter scenario?
If it is harmless (as junkies claim their own habit is (LOL!!)then why is it illegal? By your own arguments Danny Boy, (not mine) there is a serious intrusion into peoples private lives going on here.
He still also hasn't got the connection between crime prevention and drugs raids has he? No drugs, no addiction, no crime. Simple really.
He also talks about how wrong it is for bodies of people to enforce their will onto others? So what about his secular humanist pals enforcing these right wing libertarian ideas on the rest of us and declaring all opposition to be "reactionary", "Commies" "sad" etc etc.
Was 24 hour drinking voted for?
What about building Supercasinos in poor areas?
Legalising drugs?
I don't remember being asked for an opinion on any of those 18th century profit generating throwbacks. So who is doing the imposing here?
Of course, as can be seen, Dan's natural inclination is to ensure the well being and comfort of his fellow bourgeois whilst the "real crimes" are committed by either "immigrants" or "chavs". Cosy little generalities that don't withstand much critical thought.
Somebody who can make broad sweeping statements about the mass production of "feral kids" etc. is really dealing with social complexity in a really methodical way. No questions being asked as to why these things happening, no attempt to see beyond the "Daily Mail" headlines. Nothing at all.
There was a programme a while ago where Alan Duncan spent a week on a Manchester Council estate and went away on a camping trip with some of these feral kids, he was appalled by.
He underwent a transformation so radical in his attitudes that it was positively religious.
He saw them as ordinary kids who had grown up in circumstances that Dan approves of (their parents were drug users etc.)and came to see that the "feral" aspect of their behaviour was superficial and that they had hearts of gold underneath.
He even revised his opinions about "do gooding leftie social workers" saying that they were doing a worthwhile job, that the situation was far more complex than he had believed. More details on his website.
So much for "sweeping generalisations" eh Dan?
Posted by: alan page on 12:16pm Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]DanOxford[/bold] wrote:
Alan Page wrote: [italic]To walk alone through that area at night is going to send out certain messages.[/italic] I think she was wearing a skirt too Alan- obviously just asking to be raped eh? The Police estimate that about half a dozen prostitutes work in that (mainly student/ Asian) area and have received many, many compliants from local women who live there who have been propositioned in broad daylight; of children finding used condoms and of arguments with punters- complainst they could be doing more about if they weren\'t swabbing toilets in pubs for a bit of charlie. Still- I\'m sure children playing football in an area known to be used by prostitutes for sex sends out a certain message doesn\'t it Alan? [/quote] Soliciting in public is illegal Dan.
Blowing Cocaine out of your arse is also illegal Dan.
Question is why you believe that certain kinds of criminals should be let off the hook.
How many of those prostitutes (and they are not "mainly Asian", I used to work locally there and served a lot of them, more racist generalities there) are having to fund the addictions that your laissez faire attitudes to drug abuse have helped to foster? ("Hey, Cocaine is just like a pint of Guinness etc?) In my experience, the vast majority.
(Of course his use of the term "student" is also interesting as it fosters the other great bourgeois "injustice" myth regardig the unfairness of tuition fees. It also feeds into the happy student as voluntary whore prototype which, in turn, feeds into the Right Wing Libertarian view of prostitution as career choice. Another great responsibilty denying shift.)
Didn't you make sure she was escorted? Didn't you even ask to get her a cab even though it was dark?
Yes just blame the rest of the world, Dan. The problem actually lies much closer to home.
DanOxford wrote:
Alan Page wrote: To walk alone through that area at night is going to send out certain messages. I think she was wearing a skirt too Alan- obviously just asking to be raped eh? The Police estimate that about half a dozen prostitutes work in that (mainly student/ Asian) area and have received many, many compliants from local women who live there who have been propositioned in broad daylight; of children finding used condoms and of arguments with punters- complainst they could be doing more about if they weren\'t swabbing toilets in pubs for a bit of charlie. Still- I\'m sure children playing football in an area known to be used by prostitutes for sex sends out a certain message doesn\'t it Alan?
Soliciting in public is illegal Dan.
Blowing Cocaine out of your arse is also illegal Dan.
Question is why you believe that certain kinds of criminals should be let off the hook.
How many of those prostitutes (and they are not "mainly Asian", I used to work locally there and served a lot of them, more racist generalities there) are having to fund the addictions that your laissez faire attitudes to drug abuse have helped to foster? ("Hey, Cocaine is just like a pint of Guinness etc?) In my experience, the vast majority.
(Of course his use of the term "student" is also interesting as it fosters the other great bourgeois "injustice" myth regardig the unfairness of tuition fees. It also feeds into the happy student as voluntary whore prototype which, in turn, feeds into the Right Wing Libertarian view of prostitution as career choice. Another great responsibilty denying shift.)
Didn't you make sure she was escorted? Didn't you even ask to get her a cab even though it was dark?
Yes just blame the rest of the world, Dan. The problem actually lies much closer to home.
Posted by: alan page on 12:30pm Mon 24 Mar 08
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Posted by: Tom Cranmer, Oxford on 1:23pm Mon 24 Mar 08
Alan, I have worked behind a bar on the Cowley Road and was a licensee for 12 years. I also sat on the Nightsafe liaison group with Thames Valley Police and the City council, so I do understand the needs in East Oxford and understand the needs of the local businesses and the cooperation the police need and have requested. I did not say the landlord should be responsible, I said that the licensee and security, which virtually all premises now have, should assess each incident and call the police if necessary. Most licensees are on the ball and bar drug users, passing on relevent information to the Nightsafe committee, security teams and other licensees. In my time in the trade, I have seen dozens of dealers arrested and have never had any threats against myself or anyone I know from "yardie dealers". However, I have been mugged twice, assaulted several times and witnessed a lot of violent crime on the Cowley Road. The police do try to do a good job, but their resources are stretched and they prefer to be dealing with violent crime prevention and work with licensees to get drugs out of premises.
Also, I don't think DanOxford was referring to prostitutes as Asian/Student, but to the area they work in as being inhabited by Asians and students.
Alan, I have worked behind a bar on the Cowley Road and was a licensee for 12 years. I also sat on the Nightsafe liaison group with Thames Valley P
