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Faith schools 'do not divide'
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| Kiran Khan, front left, and Olivia Barry, right, with other St Gregory the Great School pupils |
The headteacher of Oxford's only Roman Catholic secondary school has disputed claims that faith schools fuel segregation.
A House of Commons education committee last week heard that religious schools had fewer pupils eligible for free school meals, taken as an indicator that students had an 'underprivileged' background.
It was also told the schools attracted children from more able and affluent backgrounds than community comprehensives.
Prof Anne West, of the London School of Economics, and Rebecca Allen, of the Institute of Education, at University of London, carried out the research presented to the committee.
Their report said: "Schools with a religious denomination can be shown to have a more able and affluent intake than community comprehensives, especially once the characteristics of the local neighbourhood are taken into account.
"This means that areas with many religious schools have higher levels of school segregation."
But Mary Keelan, headteacher of St Gregory the Great Catholic School in Cricket Road, said: "The notion of faith schools not being inclusive is a million miles from the truth.
"I've worked in a number of faith schools and I know for a fact that they are very representative of the particular populations that live around them, in terms of the ethnic mix, special needs statistics and free school meals, and that certainly applies to St Gregory's."
She said at her school English was not the first language of 22 per cent of pupils, 41 per cent were from ethnic minorities and more than 20 per cent had special needs. Just over half of pupils were Roman Catholic.
She said: "The core values are around Christian values, but these are mostly around respect for diversity and that kind of thing.
"Any good teacher will tell you that those core values are the key ingredients of every lesson."
The report also criticised admissions procedures, and alleged some faith schools in London charged admission fees and carried out "covert cream-skimming".
Miss Keelan said: "There is rigorous scrutiny around admissions and I would seriously counter the assertion that if there's success there's selection."
The report suggested national religious criteria could be agreed, meaning religious schools would not have to collect additional information.
Miss Keelan said: "It sounds like a good idea, but it would actually be a denial of the distinctive identity of different religious groups and I do not think you can put that into a national formula.
"A lot of this talk can be quite divisive about a system which is actually very cohesive. Our students work closely within the community and with other schools in the area."
7:08pm Tuesday 18th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: alan page on 7:24pm Tue 18 Mar 08
Didn't quite work like that in Northern Ireland.
Does this mean that Moslem schools are going to be given the go ahead?
Didn't quite work like that in Northern Ireland.
Does this mean that Moslem schools are going to be given the go ahead?
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 9:35pm Tue 18 Mar 08
A million miles is quite a sweeping statement for someone who can only know his own school,or rather what he would have others believe.
Religious schools to my mind fall short in credibility.
A million miles is quite a sweeping statement for someone who can only know his own school,or rather what he would have others believe.
Religious schools to my mind fall short in credibility.
Posted by: ricky, future on 11:12pm Tue 18 Mar 08
live together like theres no super being,we originated from the resus ,blood...monkeys ..religions questionable?
live together like theres no super being,we originated from the resus ,blood...monkeys ..religions questionable?
Posted by: Michael, Cowley on 10:23am Wed 19 Mar 08
What a load of ****! I can't even believe that this is "Oxford's only Roman Catholic secondary school".
In a Christian/Catholic country you would think that these places would be cherished! It wouldn't suprise me if they close this because a catholic school "causes segregation", mark my words though, they wont be able to touch "Oxford MUSLIM community school" ,that might cause too much offence to the owners of this country, our beloved Muslim lodgers.
What a load of ****! I can't even believe that this is "Oxford's only Roman Catholic secondary school".
In a Christian/Catholic country you would think that these places would be cherished! It wouldn't suprise me if they close this because a catholic school "causes segregation", mark my words though, they wont be able to touch "Oxford MUSLIM community school" ,that might cause too much offence to the owners of this country, our beloved Muslim lodgers.
Posted by: Dave on 12:13pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Firstly for Michael in Cowley, this nation is thankfully NOT an RC country, its is Christian/Protestant country.
Where everyone no matter what faith is allowed to follow that faith unlike RC countries where their is basically a dictatorship from the pope in Rome old Ratzi the nazis!
As for this School, i can safely say that schools like this do cause division, ALL kids should be taught together and they may understand each other better in later life.
But the RC church likes to control its people and control their minds, Thou Shalt not Worship Graven Images.
Firstly for Michael in Cowley, this nation is thankfully NOT an RC country, its is Christian/Protestant country.
Where everyone no matter what faith is allowed to follow that faith unlike RC countries where their is basically a dictatorship from the pope in Rome old Ratzi the nazis!
As for this School, i can safely say that schools like this do cause division, ALL kids should be taught together and they may understand each other better in later life.
But the RC church likes to control its people and control their minds, Thou Shalt not Worship Graven Images.
Posted by: alan page on 1:03pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Dave[/bold] wrote:
Firstly for Michael in Cowley, this nation is thankfully NOT an RC country, its is Christian/Protestant country. Where everyone no matter what faith is allowed to follow that faith unlike RC countries where their is basically a dictatorship from the pope in Rome old Ratzi the nazis! As for this School, i can safely say that schools like this do cause division, ALL kids should be taught together and they may understand each other better in later life. But the RC church likes to control its people and control their minds, Thou Shalt not Worship Graven Images.[/quote] No, it is a secular/multifaith country.
You and your Catholic pal have demonstrated exactly why that is a good thing.
Google "William Murphy" and "Riots" for further details.
Dave wrote:
Firstly for Michael in Cowley, this nation is thankfully NOT an RC country, its is Christian/Protestant country. Where everyone no matter what faith is allowed to follow that faith unlike RC countries where their is basically a dictatorship from the pope in Rome old Ratzi the nazis! As for this School, i can safely say that schools like this do cause division, ALL kids should be taught together and they may understand each other better in later life. But the RC church likes to control its people and control their minds, Thou Shalt not Worship Graven Images.
No, it is a secular/multifaith country.
You and your Catholic pal have demonstrated exactly why that is a good thing.
Google "William Murphy" and "Riots" for further details.
Posted by: alan page on 1:14pm Wed 19 Mar 08
BNP supporters are of course the modern equivalent of Murphy and his mob.
However wheras Murphy was concerned over Catholic Emancipation and the "evils" associated with it, his modern counterparts are using the same kind stuff about Islam.
Oddly both targeted working class areas.
However Murphy's sticky end in Whitehaven should prove a deterrent to that kind of bigotry.
BNP supporters are of course the modern equivalent of Murphy and his mob.
However wheras Murphy was concerned over Catholic Emancipation and the "evils" associated with it, his modern counterparts are using the same kind stuff about Islam.
Oddly both targeted working class areas.
However Murphy's sticky end in Whitehaven should prove a deterrent to that kind of bigotry.
Posted by: Dave on 3:00pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Bigotry is not allowing kids to grow up and be educated alongside each other!
Bigotry is not allowing kids to grow up and be educated alongside each other!
Posted by: Phil Gale, Oxford on 3:07pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote]Bigotry is not allowing kids to grow up and be educated alongside each other!
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Bigotry is assuming that those with whom you disagree should have no part in determining education policy.
Bigotry is not allowing kids to grow up and be educated alongside each other!
Bigotry is assuming that those with whom you disagree should have no part in determining education policy.
Posted by: Barry Henderson, London on 3:49pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Not surprising that the head of a religious school shoud think that religious schools are OK. Might be a bit of self-interest, perhaps?
Not surprising that the head of a religious school shoud think that religious schools are OK. Might be a bit of self-interest, perhaps?
Posted by: Tom Cranmer, Oxford on 5:46pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Just to point out that the United Kingdom is officially a christian state, with the Queen both Head of State and Leader of the Church of England within the United Kingdom. I for one feel that faith schools are more likely to emphasise cultural identity and lead to problems in society.
Just to point out that the United Kingdom is officially a christian state, with the Queen both Head of State and Leader of the Church of England within the United Kingdom. I for one feel that faith schools are more likely to emphasise cultural identity and lead to problems in society.
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 11:20pm Wed 19 Mar 08
And yet this story is not really about religious schools per se,it has more to do with the story writers view that the elitist views of Catholic schools should be given an airing.
A fool was found to evangelize out of context and there it is.
To my mind not all invader religions should be tarred with the same brush.
What you will not see is any other so called faith schools in the limelight.
So when you next happen across some poor deluded fruit proclaiming all relgions are the same feel free to be appalled at the care in the community policy of new labour.
And yet this story is not really about religious schools per se,it has more to do with the story writers view that the elitist views of Catholic schools should be given an airing.
A fool was found to evangelize out of context and there it is.
To my mind not all invader religions should be tarred with the same brush.
What you will not see is any other so called faith schools in the limelight.
So when you next happen across some poor deluded fruit proclaiming all relgions are the same feel free to be appalled at the care in the community policy of new labour.
Posted by: James Leyson, Cowley on 2:09pm Tue 25 Mar 08
I think the only Seconday Catholic School in Oxford is St. Gregs beacuse i never notice any other Secondary Catholic School!!!
I think the only Seconday Catholic School in Oxford is St. Gregs beacuse i never notice any other Secondary Catholic School!!!
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