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Conference calls for action on forced marriages
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| Artist Jeroo Roy with one of her paintings on show at the conference |
More than one forced marriage a week takes place in Oxford, according to the organisers of a new project aimed at stamping out the practice.
The Thames Valley Local Criminal Justice Board is desperate to raise awareness of the issue and the honour-based violence which surrounds it.
Each year the city witnesses at least 60 forced marriages - as compared to arranged marriages where both parties consent - but, experts say that the figure is a "gross under- representation".
A conference was held at Oxford United's Kassam Stadium yesterday in a bid to highlight the problem. It is the first time a group has been pulled together to discuss the problem in the UK - and organisers said the interest had been "immense".
Project leader Laetisia Staniforth said: "It is estimated at least 60 forced marriages take place in Oxford alone - not Oxfordshire- each year.
"And that is considered a gross under representation.
"Honour-based crimes are motivated by the desire to protect the family. Different members of the family may be the perpetrators, or they may come from the extended family or the wider community that the victim has never met before.
"The abuse often involves harassment, stalking, kidnap, and, obviously in the most extreme cases, honour killing."
Mrs Staniforth said although police systems were currently unable to label a murder as an honour killing, there were thought to be 12 linked murders a year in Britain.
In 2004, 19-year-old Arash Ghorbani-Zarin was ambushed as he drove along Spencer Crescent, in Rose Hill, Oxford, and stabbed 46 times.
Chomir Ali, 44, and his sons Mohammed Mujibar Rahman, 19, and Mamnoor Rahman, 15 - were jailed for a total of 50 years for the attack after the victim started a relationship with Ali's daughter and got her pregnant.
Mrs Staniforth said: "The most common victims are from India, Bangladesh, Iran, Somalia, Bosnia and Romany-Gipsy communities.
"It is most prevalent among Pakistani Muslim women aged 15 and 24.
"We set out to invite 130 people and we have ended up with 176 from more than 20 organisations. The interest has been immense.
"It has been done in Oxfordshire first because we have had an example of a particularly nasty honour killing and we have identified the need to work in partnership and raise awareness."
6:36am Saturday 29th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Mr Ison, England on 10:54am Sat 29 Mar 08
However in the real world there is no duality and couples who find themselves together by marriage learn to love each other.
What is actually going on is the caste system is finding it can continue it's war in England using state funding.
However we are not the soft touch some would claim.
However in the real world there is no duality and couples who find themselves together by marriage learn to love each other.
What is actually going on is the caste system is finding it can continue it's war in England using state funding.
However we are not the soft touch some would claim.
Posted by: alan page on 10:56am Sat 29 Mar 08
I think this is an issue the communities themselves should be left to sort out.
It was pretty much a custom here until relatively recently.
No way should it be legalised and the law of the land as it stands already outlaws stuff like this.
This is one case where I believe that immigrant communities should embrace a more enlightened view of the issues surrounding consent etc.
It comes with the territory. New country, new rules.
I think this is an issue the communities themselves should be left to sort out.
It was pretty much a custom here until relatively recently.
No way should it be legalised and the law of the land as it stands already outlaws stuff like this.
This is one case where I believe that immigrant communities should embrace a more enlightened view of the issues surrounding consent etc.
It comes with the territory. New country, new rules.
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 11:31am Sat 29 Mar 08
Arranged marriages are enlightened,it's a method that works well for other cultures.
So much for multiculturalism eh?
Arranged marriages are enlightened,it's a method that works well for other cultures.
So much for multiculturalism eh?
Posted by: Hunt, oxford on 1:35pm Sat 29 Mar 08
we dont have to go a million yeas in our past ,when we also had so called arranged mariages......
if it worked before it can work again.... but , yes in the new light of different culture
we dont have to go a million yeas in our past ,when we also had so called arranged mariages......
if it worked before it can work again.... but , yes in the new light of different culture
Posted by: what the ...... on 1:40pm Sat 29 Mar 08
who this idiot who says its with pakistani people more
show us prove or shut up...
easy for you just mention one race, what do you base this on?
did any one ask them have this meeting...how about having one for all the drunks we have, and everything related to them.
come on do it
who this idiot who says its with pakistani people more
show us prove or shut up...
easy for you just mention one race, what do you base this on?
did any one ask them have this meeting...how about having one for all the drunks we have, and everything related to them.
come on do it
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 2:25pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Who knew men ran matriarchical cultures or that Islamic women of 15 and 24 often find themselves in arranged marriages?
Contrived marriage needs looking into.
Who knew men ran matriarchical cultures or that Islamic women of 15 and 24 often find themselves in arranged marriages?
Contrived marriage needs looking into.
Posted by: William, Oxford on 3:48pm Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote][bold]what the ......[/bold] wrote:
who this idiot who says its with pakistani people more show us prove or shut up... easy for you just mention one race, what do you base this on? did any one ask them have this meeting...how about having one for all the drunks we have, and everything related to them. come on do it[/quote] Is anyone really surprised at the delusion of this post?
Backward people (yes mainly from the Pakistani community) think forced marriage is normal behaviour.
Pakistan is 100+ years behind the UK in relation to social matters.
The biggest mistake the U.K has made is allowing immigrants from Pakistan to bring their extended families to the U.K.
They do not want to adopt the laws of this country.
They have been forced to accept some.
And let us be clear on the two terms
(1)Arranged marriages
and
(2)Forced marriages.
are not the same thing.
There is a big difference between them.
Pakistanis are very notorious for arranging "forced marriages".
Get very worried if you are Pakistani and your family plan to send you to Pakistan to "find your roots".
You will be married whether you like it or not........
That is the reality of their community.
what the ...... wrote:
who this idiot who says its with pakistani people more show us prove or shut up... easy for you just mention one race, what do you base this on? did any one ask them have this meeting...how about having one for all the drunks we have, and everything related to them. come on do it
Is anyone really surprised at the delusion of this post?
Backward people (yes mainly from the Pakistani community) think forced marriage is normal behaviour.
Pakistan is 100+ years behind the UK in relation to social matters.
The biggest mistake the U.K has made is allowing immigrants from Pakistan to bring their extended families to the U.K.
They do not want to adopt the laws of this country.
They have been forced to accept some.
And let us be clear on the two terms
(1)Arranged marriages
and
(2)Forced marriages.
are not the same thing.
There is a big difference between them.
Pakistanis are very notorious for arranging "forced marriages".
Get very worried if you are Pakistani and your family plan to send you to Pakistan to "find your roots".
You will be married whether you like it or not........
That is the reality of their community.
Posted by: Akhmed, notsayin on 4:56pm Sat 29 Mar 08
A more centre/neutral policy government could sort this out.
Vote B.N.P.
A more centre/neutral policy government could sort this out.
Vote B.N.P.
Posted by: DanOxford on 5:24pm Sat 29 Mar 08
[quote][bold]what the ......[/bold] wrote:
who this idiot who says its with pakistani people more show us prove or shut up... easy for you just mention one race, what do you base this on? did any one ask them have this meeting...how about having one for all the drunks we have, and everything related to them. come on do it[/quote] An excellent example of how a poor command of English is a barrier to integration.
Here's a good statistic to 'prove' these backward marriage arrangements amongst Pakistanis are a bad idea:
[italic]Research for BBC2's Newsnight in November 2005 showed British Pakistanis accounted for 3.4% of all births but have 30% of all British children with "recessive disorders".[/italic]
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/7237663.st
m
That means marrying your cousin produces mutant kiddies.
what the ...... wrote:
who this idiot who says its with pakistani people more show us prove or shut up... easy for you just mention one race, what do you base this on? did any one ask them have this meeting...how about having one for all the drunks we have, and everything related to them. come on do it
An excellent example of how a poor command of English is a barrier to integration.
Here's a good statistic to 'prove' these backward marriage arrangements amongst Pakistanis are a bad idea:
Research for BBC2's Newsnight in November 2005 showed British Pakistanis accounted for 3.4% of all births but have 30% of all British children with "recessive disorders".
http://news.bbc.co.u
k/1/hi/uk/7237663.st
m
That means marrying your cousin produces mutant kiddies.
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 5:32pm Sat 29 Mar 08
No one is interested in the minority opinion of foreigners,that means the BBC to you and me.
No one is interested in the minority opinion of foreigners,that means the BBC to you and me.
Posted by: ERS on 6:32pm Sat 29 Mar 08
Forced marriages are definitely a trigger in many dishonor killings. Just on the level of basic human rights alone, no one should ever be forced to marry another.
Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
"Reclaiming Honor in Jordan"
Forced marriages are definitely a trigger in many dishonor killings. Just on the level of basic human rights alone, no one should ever be forced to marry another.
Ellen R. Sheeley, Author
"Reclaiming Honor in Jordan"
Posted by: Mr Ison, England on 7:51pm Sat 29 Mar 08
You dont often see Bhurka clad pole dancers,really the only issue for us English is how to ignore these converts to crass communism.
Screwing up the family unit was and still is one of the methods they use to achieve their goals.
You dont often see Bhurka clad pole dancers,really the only issue for us English is how to ignore these converts to crass communism.
Screwing up the family unit was and still is one of the methods they use to achieve their goals.
Posted by: Frankie, Cowley road on 12:32pm Sun 30 Mar 08
Please arrange a marriage for me. These asian birds are a bit of alright.
Owwweeerrr Misssusss!
Titter ye not!
Please arrange a marriage for me. These asian birds are a bit of alright.
Owwweeerrr Misssusss!
Titter ye not!
Posted by: alan page on 1:07pm Sun 30 Mar 08
[quote][bold]DanOxford[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]what the ......[/bold] wrote: who this idiot who says its with pakistani people more show us prove or shut up... easy for you just mention one race, what do you base this on? did any one ask them have this meeting...how about having one for all the drunks we have, and everything related to them. come on do it[/quote] An excellent example of how a poor command of English is a barrier to integration. Here's a good statistic to 'prove' these backward marriage arrangements amongst Pakistanis are a bad idea: [italic]Research for BBC2's Newsnight in November 2005 showed British Pakistanis accounted for 3.4% of all births but have 30% of all British children with "recessive disorders".[/italic] http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/7237663.st m That means marrying your cousin produces mutant kiddies. [/quote] Oh don't be too hard on yourself Dannyboy (the pipes,the pipes are calling)you don't do too badly here.
All it takes is a bit of pratice and, who knows, your English will be up to standard and you can start going out again!
DanOxford wrote:
what the ...... wrote: who this idiot who says its with pakistani people more show us prove or shut up... easy for you just mention one race, what do you base this on? did any one ask them have this meeting...how about having one for all the drunks we have, and everything related to them. come on do it
An excellent example of how a poor command of English is a barrier to integration. Here's a good statistic to 'prove' these backward marriage arrangements amongst Pakistanis are a bad idea: Research for BBC2's Newsnight in November 2005 showed British Pakistanis accounted for 3.4% of all births but have 30% of all British children with "recessive disorders". http://news.bbc.co.u k/1/hi/uk/7237663.st m That means marrying your cousin produces mutant kiddies.
Oh don't be too hard on yourself Dannyboy (the pipes,the pipes are calling)you don't do too badly here.
All it takes is a bit of pratice and, who knows, your English will be up to standard and you can start going out again!
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